Whitehall “braced for private schools collapse” 3

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Starting a third thread to discuss impact of VAT on private school fees, as the topic looks likely to run (and run). Though probably best to finish off the second thread before posting here, thx.

I'm not sure it would? You used to be able to do beginner level Italian back in the day starting from scratch, things might have changed of course.

Right, so I assume you’ve reported the post drawing the analogy with the Covid policy and care homes meaning care home residents died prematurely too then? Because that was equally about killing children, right?
“People in suits” = children
so “Care home residents” also = children?

Just trying to follow the lunacy logic here.

?!!???? I think best just go with MN sound decision to delete said post and move on with the thread.

Happy to move on, having changed my mind completely thanks to your overwhelmingly persuasive argument….

Total waste of time arguing with incoherent posts.

@EHCPerhaps - some offer beginner Spanish at lower level or beginner Latin, it just depends on the school (for the IB language requirement).

There was nothing about children in my post.

That reach came entirely from @curlewkate.

Usual illogical nonsense we can expect from those who justify government attacks which will cause harm to some and benefit no one.

Professional workers (who Labour are attacking with this policy) wear suits.

Children don't.

HTH

But you go ahead with inventing some ridiculous fabrication to get on your moral high horse about.

In fact, are you a Labour policy writer? That's their usual MO.

Mumsnet HQ obviously found @strawberrybubblegum’s
post unacceptable. As would any civilized person. Let’s move on.

Any civilised person would condemn the deliberate destruction of schools by the government.

Oh look.

Who exactly are you talking to? This gets ever more bizarre.

I didn’t see the post but agree on ‘they were failing anyway’ as a poor argument.

CurlewKate fabricated a ridiculous accusation that my analogy was about a school shooting, when it was blatantly obvious that my analogy described the government attacking professional workers.

You backed up her nonsense.

Labour make equally ridiculous false accusations against private school parents that us paying for our childrens' entire education ourselves somehow costs the taxpayer rather than saving the state money.

Their propagandists use this fabricated nonsense to justify ideological policies they have created to deliberately destroy our schools. With no benefit to anyone, only harm.

And instead of condemning the government's appalling behaviour, you excuse it and support it.

You are behaving in the same morally bankrupt way as Labour.

Well MN moderators clearly didn't think it was nonsense. Are they morally bankrupt for reading your post in the same way as CurlewKate and I did? This is getting silly and you just can't stop digging.

I have no idea about MN mods' morals.

They're not the ones repeatedly excusing the unjustifiable.

@strawberrybubblegumEven if your post did not specifically refer to school shootings, you drew an analogy between VAT on school fees and gunning people down with an assault rifle. Which is obviously completely unacceptable.

And for the avoidance of doubt, nobody is saying that schools “deserve” to close. Of course they don’t and it is stressful and sad for all concerned. They are saying that unviable schools in all sectors close. Increased costs of any sort might speed up the process, but it is disingenuous to say that a half full school with years of falling rolls is closing because of the levying of VAT. Obviously it might have been a contributing factor, but no parent with any sense is going to send their child to a half full school with a history of financial difficulties. It’s
not a moral issue, it is a practical, business one.

Of course it is a moral one when government bring in a policy to purposely target those 'businesses' , a policy which they know is damaging and will result in more schools closing than normal. They know it will disrupt the education of 1000s of children and they don't care.
That's the fundamental issue and it is 100% a moral issue.

The fact that state boarding schools such as this one are exempt from VAT yet my northern indy which has much less salubrious surroundings + facilities is being taxed proves that this is a discriminatory taxed, they charge the same per term as our indy school:

https://www.raa-school.co.uk/welcometoraas/?gadsource=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwnPS-BhBxEiwAZjMF0nvUssmRrijoCMQkGeWNQKGUa4W096nt8rZc80blWkboIjiF8JEFhoC6UQAvDBwE

Or this one

https://www.gordons.school/page/?title=About+Us&pid=80

@twistyizzyState boarding schools do not charge for education. They charge for boarding.

They charge for boarding the same rate as independent state schools. They confer the same, if not greater, privilege. They DO charge for facilities etc but that is hidden in the 'boarding ' aspect.
There is no moral difference between state boarding + independent boarding. Most families using state boarding are NOT those who "need" it eg military etc. They are Home Counties parents who want independent experience at cut price.

I may be remembering incorrectly, but I got the impression that the entire fee for independent boarding is subject to £££ VAT bonanza, i.e. that an independent school cannot separate out the boarding element from the "taxing Education is now a wonderful thing" element?

You are correct