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Waiting for Results on 1st March

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GORGEOUSPSYCHIC · 13/01/2011 20:32

Thought it would be nice to start a support thread on here about the wait for our DC getting into secondary schools. Anyone else glad the tests are all over?

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carminaburana · 15/01/2011 22:43

yes that's true bigcar - it's a nightmare isn't it.

fingers crossed for all of us

kayah · 16/01/2011 02:35

I am in Sutton too - waiting on results...

idlingabout · 16/01/2011 11:52

Sorry to bug you Kayah but I amtalking about state schools too ( not independent). Most of the grammar schools people are refeering to are state. I was just intrigued about your comment re the girls v boys places. I have not heard of any mixed state selective ( by the front door) schools so was intrigued as to whether there were any.
It stills sounds as though in the areas where there is state selection that there are more boys places than girls places which frankly is totally discriminatory.

bigcar · 16/01/2011 13:11

it's cetainly true here idling. Going on last years admissions, boys grammar school places 420, girls grammar school places 361. That's over 3 boys and 2 girls grammar schools.

idlingabout · 16/01/2011 16:05

Bigcar - thats what I suspected. Regardless of whether people think selection is fair or not, at least where it does exist the leas should be forced to ensure that girls have the same opportunities as boys or they make all the selective schools mixed and then just admit according to results on the exam. I suspect that if they were to do this then significantly more than half the places would be taken by girls so its bound to be a non-starter as an idea Hmm

bigcar · 16/01/2011 16:30

part of the issue is that the LEA schools are not just for LEA residents as once used to be the case. Certainly here a large chunk of dcs with grammar places come from out of borough. Which in turn places so much more demand on the non selective schools by borough residents, hence the tiny catchments. And then of course there's the arguement over whether boys/girls do better in a mixed/single sex environment. It's not very straight forward at all Confused

curlymama · 16/01/2011 20:48

I'm joining in too!

We have applied for GS, but with so many applying I'm not holding my breath. The comp is a good school though and there will be bonuses to it. Either way, March 1st needs to hurry up!

thetasigmamum · 16/01/2011 21:40

Colyton Grammar is mixed.

kayah · 16/01/2011 22:13

idlingabout
I agree with you
in Sutton borough boys schools accept anyone regardless on distance, henve very few local boys get places
for girls schools there's restriction on distance, so we can see more local girls wearing Wally Grammar uniform in here.

In my dd is in Y8 WG and in her class of 30 there are 3 girls from outside of the borough.

kris123 · 17/01/2011 00:32

Aparently this year, due to credit crunch, number of kids who would normally go to private schools, are also competing for the grammars.

Heavily tutored, many from prep schools, stand a fair chance at catching a fair share out of the 130 places that were normally available.

You might therefore think, that as last year there were say 1300 kids for 130 places (1 in 10), this year you will have 1400 kids for 70 places (say 1 in 20), with the rest (50) being taken by the 100 of "new type of entrants".

Expect things to turn really ugly this year. Fellow mums from my local primary are really going crazy over this topic.

kayah · 17/01/2011 01:12

the rush to go to grammar schools been apparent for the last few years, I'd say in Sutton at least 10 (probably more)

kris123 - why this year 70 places instead of 130?

QBEE · 17/01/2011 01:34

The Lancaster Grammars' advise of place allocation prior to submitting the online LEA form.
Hence you do not have to chance your first choice if that makes sense?
Obviously March is when the official letters are posted out but effectively you 'know' back in October.
I think the system changed only in the last couple of years but until I saw this thread I had assumed it was a universal change. What an excruciatingly long wait for some. Sad

kris123 · 17/01/2011 02:32

kayah,

I kind of abused the stats, but they have their logic too.

I read on this site that at one top grammar, 47% of kids are privately educated. Yes this was a case 1y and 3y ago, but less so.

So this explains how you can kind of forget 60 places that normally mostly would go to everyone - but this year will go to totally overprepared pivate prep school kids who would have gone to good public schools but their parents cannot afford the fees, leaving the rest of kids fight for remaining 70 places for the "commoners".

Lets face it that the amount of tutoring that the kids from prep schools receive is crazy, both at school, and at home. You cannot possibly compete with this at state school, unless you take you child home for home education, as at state schools once your child reaches stage 5 on KS2, he or she bascailly wastes time in class, as the school is much more concerned on helping grade 3 and 4 students to reach grade 5, as this is the measure on which they will be judged later. Painful, but true.

The irony is, that this might actually devalue the quality of grammars in 7 years, as more over prepared kids will get in vs naturally able ones. One poster somewhere interestingly noted that at his grammar the most stupid kids came from private schools.

kayah · 17/01/2011 08:58

I would ask my dd how many of her classmates went to private schools, but from what Isee stats here, in Sutton are slightly differentI know that some private schools specialise in test preparation, but not prep schools
afaik prep schools go till 13 and they have no intention in letting any child go in y6 :)

how does mentioned poster know which kids are stupid?....

if they were they would be asked to leave as would not be able to keep up with homework etc.

bigcar · 17/01/2011 10:14

kayah, a friend of mine had her ds at wally boys, at the end of year 7, 1 boy was asked to leave and a couple of others had to do year 7 again, pretty ruthless if you ask me! This was about 8/9/10 years ago so don't know if they still do it. Apparently they put it down to those that were heavily tutored to pass the test but couldn't keep up once in.

GORGEOUSX · 17/01/2011 10:27

I have a DD at Nonsuch and a girl in her class was asked to leave for the same reasons - she just could not keep up. That was 3 years ago.

Agree there is far too much tutoring going on and there are many bright children who deserve a place, but, due to hot-housing they lose out.

The plus side of all this is that the local comps. have far more bright kids than they used to, from the overspill, so if a DC goes there and is bright - hopefully they will be stretched and the standards raised.

bigcar · 17/01/2011 10:55

that's true, my eldest went to one of the comps and did very well. Unfortunately we no longer live in the catchment so the comps are not an option for the younger ones and they wouldn't pass the grammar tests to a level that would get them in, doesn't really leave us with a choice.

kayah · 17/01/2011 13:58

GORGEOUSX - what's your non-gramamr alternative?

Stanley Park has improved lately, I can see their behaviout is much better, went to observe there 2 years ago and really liked the cooperation between the teachers themselves

y 10 and 11's were out of school on work placements, so was fairly quiet :)

I also know a bit about Greenshaw, but won't say anything publicly - anyone can PM me if they want :)

GORGEOUSX · 17/01/2011 14:20

Overton Grange is our local school and I have known a lot of kids who go there. I didn't look round any other comps. 'cos that is our nearest school, so I don't know anything about Stanley Park.

But I did notice a difference in Overton, from when I looked round with DD1, about 5 years ago, i.e. kids can do triple Science and sit higher maths papers if they're capable - years ago their pupils did not sit these (from what I've gathered).

My own personal opinion is that there are a lot of bright kids in the local comps. now because lots of them are deemed to be GS material, but just can't get a place because of the sheer numbers of kids applying. The difference between some of these kids is 1 mark in a GS test.

My DD2 has passed the Nonsuch and the Wallington tests but may not get a place at either - and there are lots like her. So I'm guessing all the surrounding comps. will benefit?

kayah · 17/01/2011 19:58

I wish we lived nearer Overton Grange, I liked the vibe of the school when I visited it. Y7's who were showing us were so polite and involved in school - that is what good school should encourage.
Well spotted on tripple science - that does show school commitment to rounded education as it isn't part of the usual 5Gcse's table league.

Greenshaw is mostly overrated, but their Science department is top class.

Dommy · 18/01/2011 10:59

Does anyone know when the online results are out please?

GORGEOUSX · 18/01/2011 11:39

Dommy I don't know which area you're in, but in my area, London Borough of Sutton, we get the results on-line at 17.00 - SUPPOSEDLY. I'm guessing the system will crash so am not going to bother .

We're also being sent texts apparently, so not sure if the mobiles will be clogged too!
But, I have no idea what time that will be.

I have asked DH to take 2nd March off work so that he can be here to celebrate/calm me down, but he maintains that there's no need, as I won't be able to stop myself from logging on to find out on 1st March 16.59. Hmm

bigcar · 18/01/2011 12:37

gorgeous, the system did crash with one almighty thud the year they bought it in but I believe it was ok last year. Are they notifying what the school will be by text or is it just a reminder to look, I can't for the life of me remember?

Hollylucysmum · 18/01/2011 13:58

Just wanted to sympathise with you all!!! went through this last year and it is terrible, lucky for us my dd got into her first choice but on the morning of the 1st march all my friends were saying there children hadnt even got into any of their choices and were being allocated the worse school in the borough.... as you can imagine the wait i had until lunchtime for the post was unbeleivable and when i saw she had a place in the the best school i could of wished for i cried like a baby lol people dont understand that we all want the best for our children and this choice is the one that makes their futures!!
good luck to you all x

GORGEOUSX · 18/01/2011 17:45

BigCar LOL! .

I, too, cannot remember what on earth they are going to text us. But I have lost my code/reference? anyway, so not sure that I will even be able to access this goldmine of information anyway!

Last time I went through this, I logged on, only to be told that my DD hadn't got any of the 6 choices and that I should "wait 3 months" to find out. Obviously, that meant she didn't even get the worst school for miles, let alone a GS place. After sobbing uncontrollably (you'd think a family member had died from the wailing), for 2/3 hours, a letter popped through our door from Nonsuch saying - 'DD scored X (ridiculously high mark) and we are pleased to be able to offer her a place at this school' !!!!!

Well, as you can imagine, the mood changed somewhat..... that's why I don't want to go on-line again this time - in case they've buggered it all up again. So I'm going to sit it out and wait for the post.... honest....