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Binge Eating Disorder Support 3

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FightingBed2014 · 13/04/2015 18:49

Welcome, this thread is for those that have disordered eating / Binge Eating Disorder (BED) and need support. We are all working towards a better relationship with food, together. Everyone is welcome to join in and share as much or as little as you like. Our focus is on learning to be happy with who we are right now and moving away from our negative self image, thoughts and eating patterns one step at a time.

Previous threads can be found here:

Thread 1 March 2014
Thread 2 October 2014

My blog following recovery from BED can be read here:Fighting BED

Many of us are following Dr Fairburn's Overcoming Binge Eating Second Edition book Here This is also used by a lot of Eating Disorder services in their treatment programmes.

Although we have no rules, we would ask that people either avoid talking about or be mindful when it is necessary that the following can be a trigger for those with an eating disorder; asking advice on how to start a new diet, talking about specific weight and clothes sizes. Please also remember that those supporting you need support too.

This thread was started by a BED sufferer and the majority of contributors are Eating disorder sufferers and not professionals. As with any online forum, it is best to supplement support on here with real life support and advice from professionals

OP posts:
Bonnie152 · 16/11/2015 10:21

Hi everyone. I was wondering if I could join? I've been lurking and read the whole thread over last few weeks (and will read 1 & 2 soon). After yet another failed diet and consequent binges I realised I have a problem and I think it probably started when I was 13 and my mum put me on a 'diet'.

Everything you've all said has resonated so much with me and I know I need to face up to and hopefully work on my BED.

The Fairburn book recommend by many of you arrived this morning so will begin to read that when my small DC nap. I've also made a GP appointment for later today. No idea what I will say, feel quite scared to be honest but know it needs to be dealt with for the sake of my mental and physical health and my family.

Looking forward to beginning my journey with you all!

sleepwhenidie · 16/11/2015 19:36

Hi Bonnie welcome Smile. How did it go with your GP? Tell us some more about yourself...

Bonnie152 · 17/11/2015 09:52

Thank you sleep Smile

Well appointment didn't happen due to DH forgetting to leave work early to mind the DC whilst I went (I was not best pleased but that is a whole other thread!) anyway, it's rebooked for Thursday!

Well I'm a SAHM at the moment to DD 3 and DS 1. I'm wanting to get back to work very soon but as with the nature of BED it hampers my confidence a lot.

Growing up I watched my mum suffer with BED and as far as I can make out she still does. Restricting and binging is all I've ever known and I have no idea what eating normally is.

Up until very recently when I recognised I had a real problem I started every day thinking I'd be 'good' and by the afternoon would cave in and go on a big eating spree. As a result my confidence is rock bottom.

I think growing up I had lots of unkind comments about my appearance from both home and school and as a result link all of my self worth to my weight and what I eat. Because of the binges my weight is going up and up. I'm now about a size 22 and feel so unhealthy.

The thing that scares me the most is passing anything like this onto my DD, I'd be heartbroken if she thought of herself how I do myself. I need to desperately take action.

I'm really hoping to be referred for counselling to help with this and a couple of things I'm dwelling on from my childhood.

I'm doing as Fairburn suggests and eating three meals and snacks and so far so good. It feels so freeing not to be constantly thinking about food! Always have in the back of my mind that I need to lose weight though.

Anyway, I think I've jibbered on enough for now Grin

IronMaggie · 17/11/2015 10:42

Welcome Bonnie, and please - jibber away! It's always helpful to hear about other people's experiences.

Fingers crossed your chat with the GP goes well. Some of the ladies here have got a lot out of CBT sessions so that might be something to ask about if they're available in your area. Let us know it goes...

MrsMargoLeadbetter · 18/11/2015 17:26

Hello

Annoyingly I typed a long message last night & then the mobile site wouldn't load it...

Maggie - thank you for your helpful post. Lots of the issues resonate. I will listen to the podcasts too. Thanks to sleep for sharing.

I am trying to tackle my self-esteem. I am trying to forget wondering why, but trying to do things that will build it up. Feels like 1 step forward 3 back though :(

I am trying to do more exercise too. It does sometimes help me to lift my mood. Forced myself to pilates today which was good once I got there.

Rubbish day today. I think it all started with the fact DH & I both forgot that DD's nursery had the photographer in yesterday. We didn't dress her in the dress I'd bought, nor did I try to tame her hair. I know it shouldn't matter & in fact worrying so much about what a 2yo will look like in pics isn't healthy. But I feel so disappointed in myself for forgetting. :( It went downhill from here. I tried to have a relaxed day after a really busy work period and all I felt was overwhelming guilt and concern about making enough money in the future etc. I basically don't deserve time off :(

I worked in the kitchen which is never a good idea, too much access. Need to avoid that.

In better news, I went to see Dr Laura of Parenting [[http://www.ahaparenting.com/]] talk last night. It was great. I think it will really help with the kids. What also struck me was the the messages we give kids about emotions - keep them in but telling them to go to time out. I felt sad for the younger me.

Bonnie welcome. Sorry you need to be here though. Can you rearrange the Doc appt? Can you talk to DH about it? Do you get a break from the DC? I know from MN boards that some SAHMs can end up doing nearly all the care even if both parents are there eg at weekends. I think a 'theme' of BED is putting others (from close family to neighbours, to friends to strangers) in front of our needs....

I had CBT on the NHS. It has helped a lot, but sadly I not yet recovered, but I am further on that I was. I also met some nice ladies through it. It was just refreshing to talk in RL with people who understand.

I too felt such relief when Fairburn 'said' - It is ok to eat 3 meals & snacks.

Hope everyone else has had a good Wed. Thinking of you fighting. xx

MrsMargoLeadbetter · 18/11/2015 17:28

Link fail! www.ahaparenting.com/

Bonnie152 · 20/11/2015 06:02

Margo that link looks good, will take a look later, looks like some useful info. Sorry to hear you had a challenging day, though I'm sure your DD's pics will be perfect.

Yes my DH and close friend both know what's going on and are very supportive so I'm lucky in that respect. With regard to having time to put myself first, I don't do it enough. Even when I have the opportunity I sometimes have no energy or feel I'm not worth it but that's something I'm trying to work on.

Well last night I went to see a new lady GP at my surgery and she agreed it sounded like BED. She's referred me to CBT but she says the nearest one is in a town about 30 miles away which would be really difficult to attend with my little DC, though may look into nursery for a morning/afternoon. She gave me a few print outs and suggested the 5:2 diet to me which I was Hmm about as I know full well a diet of any kind just exacerbates the problem.

I'm halfway though the Fairburn book and onto reading about the steps in his programme so hoping that's going to be a big help.

MrsMargoLeadbetter · 20/11/2015 07:57

OMG the 5:2 diet!!! That is crazy! Yes any diet isn't great. But I guess Dr also have a focus on lowering BMI etc. Glad she referred you.

It is difficult to carve out time, but it is important to do. I think it can help boost esteem too - ie I am worth etc. But difficult to do if you are tired etc.

Have you been monitoring? I think it helps identify why you are reaching for food which is a big part of the battle.

MrsMargoLeadbetter · 20/11/2015 07:59

Thanks for your kind & supportive words too.

Bit better yesterday. Forced myself out to see friends and was glad I did.

jassS · 20/11/2015 20:38

Lots of activity suddenly here.
Fighting, please stay if you can and post, maybe keeping this line of contact is of help, too. Hope RL takes good care of you though.
Maggie, Margot, Bonnie - all you have written is so so damn common, so usual, so banal and so not alterable. We find crutches to help us through, but we always lose them again. And then refind them. And so on.
I like this idea of instant gratification of being BED-free for a day: the lighter feeling, less bloating etc. It is better than having to wait for weight loss. I know I must never feel happy for any weight loss, as it inevitably means regain. That is how it is.

On restricting certain foods, I do not know it helps but I can do it by overloading for the first days the other good food, permitted. I am sugar and wheat free (except for when I lose it:-). If I have fallen off the sugar/wheat free, I climb back on the wagon by eating copious amounts of frsh fruit, cheese, fish and rice, rice noodle woks etc., just to make sure I am totally satisfied with what I have had while I regain the ability to go sugar and wheat free. Within few days, I can stay that way without much effort, then food amounts go down, too. It is pretty hard to gain weight sugar and wheat free, even if eating a lot of the rest, I find. I am of course not very strict, my sugar free doe snot mean fruit free, my wheat free means I eat other gluten like rye. Maybe that is why I find it tolerable.

Bonnie - 5:2 can not work for BED people. We are totally prone to overeat the five days and negate all the "savings" from the starvation days. The only way out is non-restriction, but I guess it is far more difficult to do when really overweight. Nevertheless, dieting mindset has got you constantly gaining, non-restricting might at least see you stable quite soon. All of us have dieted ourselves heavier since our first diet!

Have been missing, as was travelling (lots of stress, as one airline stopped operations, Lufthansa on strike and then the Paris terror making everythong a bit complicated in central Europe right now). Also, as my niece lives in Paris and was at the said concert hall the day before we felt we had had a near miss. then job was evacuated due to bomb alert today and tomorrow we have a christmas sale at the school I just dread - masses of kids, no security. I know I am overreacting, but it is very difficult to regain normal lifestyle if every time you venture 30 km from home your car gets stopped for controls (borders always close here in Luxembourg). Colleagues can not get to work on time because of border security and all normal working hours are suspended. Just rubbish.

Of course this (or the fact I had had a couple of really BED free weeks) resulted in a bad week. It started off with some sweets which I knew will trigger, and they did. It was terrifying, but I reminded myself that

  • it will subside if I accept, eat all I want and try to concentrate on really eating the stuff I enjoy
  • it may take a couple of days before it is over (it finally took a week, but is over I feel today).

I had a couple of days of real bad overeating, but it did not morph into passing everything edible in house through my digestive system. Most of the chocolates survived, as I remembered after a couple that I do not like them. Cheese got eaten in huge quantities though, but I thought thats fine as it is calcium, so not entirely bad. Made an apple cake and had it more or less alone, as it went so quickly that the rest of family did not manage to react. But all in all, I felt I had some control over the trip to bad BEDland. Diet-minded people would think I am seeking excuses, nonBED people would think nothing of it, but I had another reminder that BED can be tamed, but will always be around the corner. Luckily I know better by now than to limit next day, and I think that has got me through this nasty trough. If I am through, that is. But today I have only eaten moderate amounts, not feeling uncomfortable and have not had sugar or wheat. Too much wine though, about three glasses. Hope I am not develoing another addiction here.

I hope weekend is good for everyone.

IronMaggie · 21/11/2015 16:10

Hi Jass - sorry you've had such upheaval, it sounds like it must all be very stressful. I hope you have come through it by now? Do you think the levels of security will go back to normal soon? Being able to recognise the impact that external events will have, and apply coping strategies is incredibly hard to do.

I remember from Fairburn writing lists of things that I would do when I felt I was approaching a trigger situation, but never having the presence of mind to do any of them. It's something I'd definitely need to practice.

I've now read the Slow Down Diet now - it's the basis for an 8 week program. Here's my summary of the steps, or the bits I took in anyway:

Week 1: Make meals a relaxed experience - sit down, breathe, don't multi-task, and eat with friends if possible.

Week 2: Eat better quality food - he's not super prescriptive about what to eat apart from keeping dairy to a minimum, but suggests you make good choices - eat fresh, organic, non-processed, nutritious food.

Week 3: Be aware of what you're eating and how it makes you feel. He suggests checking in regularly as you eat, to see whether you're actually still hungry - you might need to eat more, or less than you are.

Week 4: When you eat is important; generally you should aim to have a big breakfast, medium size lunch and a light dinner, perhaps with a couple of snacks a day, but listen to your body to work out what rhythm works best for you. Don't skip meals or eat at irregular times.

Week 5: Eat food you enjoy! Don't eat 'healthy' food that makes you feel like you're punishing yourself. You'll be more likely to get nutrients from food you like, and it reduces your stress levels too.

Week 6: Try not to think about any food as 'bad' as negative thoughts can lead to physical effects like slowing down your metabolism - do the same with physical activity. If you really enjoy yoga, don't force yourself to do aerobics etc.

Week 7: I struggled to follow this one, but it's to do with how you think about your relationship with food and casting it in a positive light. And thinking about the benefits of reaching any goals you have, e.g .more confidence, better self esteem & relationships etc.

Week 8: Create rituals that allow you to make a connection between your nutrition and your spirituality, using them as an opportunity to give thanks and even forgive yourself / others for past transgressions. These rituals could be drinking a cup of team after a meal, or meditating in the morning, or taking care of yourself (doing your nails, brushing your hair etc). I kind of know what he means here.

He also suggests exercises for keeping a diary throughout (which I still don't do! Blush)

So even though he lost me a bit towards the end, I think it's worth reading, as it has some interesting perspectives that I hadn't though about before. And I'm sure I've only captured a fraction of what's mentioned. At the moment I'm trying to soak up as much as I can - there are so many different points of view out there about BED recovery.

Margo, working at home is dangerous for me, regardless of what room I'm in, I constantly find excuses to just pop down to the kitchen, or decide I must put a load of laundry on etc. And you absolutely deserve a day off, you work incredibly hard!

Bonnie, that's good news about CBT, I think it's worth trying to make it there if you can. And do try and avoid thinking in terms of diets or calorie restriction. I know it's hard to do when you are conscious of size - if I remember correctly that's the core of one of the Fairburn steps, where he talks about body checking? I might re-read that bit myself actually...

Hope everyone's having a fun and relaxing weekend x

jassS · 21/11/2015 21:08

What is body checking? just curious, have not read fairburn:-)

Slow down diet sounds partially very common BED advice, partially a bit too mental and I really do not get the suggestion that eating bio would help with BED. Otherwise - yet another good set of things to try and follow, but not religiously, of course!

I think the most important thing about BED ia actually relaxing about things. I am a total control frak in every aspect of life, so of course want to do everything perfectly, incl. food etc. I fight this control need daily, as food is not to be contolled, but enjoyed. Hard work.

That is also why I am resisting the diary business. i want to be relaxed about my food, not controllng it. Writing down is a control element, intended ot tell me when and where I usually go wrong. I know anyway what triggers a binge, so no need to journal....

terror alert got worse over weekend. But people are gerting used to it. i have always wondered how people do not go crazy in war zones. They do not because they just get used to bad things.....

sleepwhenidie · 22/11/2015 08:13

The Slow Down Diet isn't written for BED specifically, it is for everyone who wants to improve their relationship with food and body. The organic/fresh/local aspect comes down to this most likely being the best quality and there are two benefits to this, the fact that it is probably nutritionally the best for your body and psychologically you are treating your body well. The journalling exercises also aren't to keep a record of food, they make you think about your relationship with it, for example ideas of 'good/bad' food we label in our mind, or what meal brings great memories/feelings. Smile

sleepwhenidie · 22/11/2015 09:27

I actually think that the book would resonate strongly for you Jass, at it's heart it is about taking pleasure, relaxation and nourishment from food. I think you have those tendencies anyway, but dieting and the need to control sort of stamped them out-you are finding your way back already Smile

jassS · 22/11/2015 12:44

I guess it might be useful read, maybe when I have replaced my Kindle I can buy and read it:-) Children promised to give me a new e-readerfor Christmas, so I can not but one myself right now

MrsMargoLeadbetter · 22/11/2015 22:35

Thanks for sharing Jass it is always interesting to get an insight into your life. Sorry too that you are going through lots of security issues, it is scary.

Well done for accepting the binges & for managing your way out. It sounds like you have good self-awareness.

I know part of my inability to keep a diary, is my need for perfection. If I don't record it all perfectly I don't bother, plus I struggle with it seeing my true food listed :(

Thanks for the book overview Maggie - saves me from having to read it! Grin. Glad you took a few things from it. I agree, it is good to read different points of view.

My own personal triumph today was attending a pump class (weight lifting to music should you not know). I had lots of concerns about going - being the fattest there, being surrounded by gym bunnies, not being able to complete the class, working out in front of a large mirror - but I decided that I ought to try to get more out of my gym membership, so I went.

It was brill. The trainer was excellent and kept shouting talking about 'finding more strength inside' and 'becoming stronger'. I found all that very motivating. She did also talk a lot about calories burnt, but I didn't pay much attention to that.

I have always been big & tall (well 5 7, which used to seem tall, but doesn't seem it now esp as I don't wear heels much!) but I have never really seen being strong as a positive attribute. But because of my build (ex swimmer) I think I do look strong, but I have always equated it with being big/fat/bad but it struck me today I like the idea of focusing on strength.

Also 'calm parenting' appears to have helped DS get off to bed with less of a struggle tonight, so feeling good about that. Let's hope my good mood continues!

Wishing you all a good Monday.

sleepwhenidie · 23/11/2015 11:34

MrsMargo I am a huge fan of strength training (I know Maggie is too), I'm so glad you liked the class! It is so empowering to feel strong and is a brilliant way to be 'in' and appreciate your body, it can be a real gamechanger to approach exercise with the goal of being stronger rather than smaller. You will probably recognise strength gains very quickly early on which is highly motivating. It is also, IMO, the best thing we (as women) can do for our health, there is a cardio element that you can adjust to your preference but it helps maintain (or build) muscle mass which we naturally lose as we age, which means our metabolisms are maintained better, injuries from day to day tasks are less likely and osteoporosis is staved off. It seems to work magic with hormones which is great if heading into perimenopause/menopause. Weights and a bit of yoga/pilates are an amazing combination to keep us fit into old age!

jassS · 23/11/2015 16:23

Margo, congrats on stepping into that gym class! I think it helps a lot to keep in shape especially because BED means we cannot lose weight really. Make sure you keep going 2-3 times a week! Once you did the first time it must be easier to continue now hopefully!

sleepwhenidie · 23/11/2015 19:12

Great article...

www.ravishly.com/2015/11/19/reasons-why-you-are-binge-eating-and-how-i-stopped

mrswhiskers · 25/11/2015 14:29

Hello I have been reading this thread over the past few days and so much of what has been said really strikes a chord for me.
I have only just realised that I am a binge eater, I probably always have been but going on a diet at the start of this year, losing lots of weight only to gain it back again seems to have brought out my bingeing tendencies which had lain dormant for several years.
I was put on a diet when i was a child by my mum who looking back probably had major dieting issues herself. I was chubby but by no means fat.
My memories of mealtimes are that it was hell. I mostly had to fend for myself food wise during the day (can't remember getting breakfast or lunch) then at dinner I would be served (what seemed like) huge portions of things I mostly hated and forced to eat the lot. I was also ridiculed about how I chewed and my table manners etc I was a very slow eater and used to get shouted at when I was taking too long to eat.
I spent weekends with my grandparents who indulged me food wise, all things I loved to eat in excess and I would stuff myself. When I look back I'm amazed a child could eat so much.
As a teenager I used to starve myself but t then cave in and buy huge amounts of chocolate and binge on them and cereal and bread. I never lost any weight I was heavy but not obese.
Left home at 16 and rapidly gained 3 stones as I binged every day because I could without anyone knowing.
Moved back home after a year and lost some of the weight but continued to binge and starve.
Left home again at 20 and had a breakdown, I had CBT for anxiety and put on ADs and stopped eating altogether for several weeks and lost lots of weight. I got better (more through time than CBT I feel) came off ADs and maintained my weight. It took me until my mid 20s before I felt OK eating in front of anyone.
I gained a bit of weight when I stopped smoking which I decided to lose at the start of this year. I was successful but I can now see I was over exercising and eating way too little.
As soon as the weight was off I started bingeing again and have been doing so every week or so since.
I gained back all the weight I had lost in 10 days while on holiday as I hinged constantly.
I tried Atkins and 5:2 but they made me binge more.
My weight has stabilised I'm a normal BMI and I'm not gaining. last week my DH said he thinks I should start eating normally and forget about losing weight as I must be the weight I'm meant to be as I keep going back.
Now I am trying to eat 3 meals a day (which I have never done) and not restrict myself.
I've ordered the fairburn book and am reading brain over binge on my kindle.
I'm finding it hard to stop counting calories and still do on mfp. Also checking calorie amounts on food. I am obsessed with food, mealtimes, feeding my family and cooking.
I've found so much on this thread helpful and I'm going to work my way through the 2 previous threads now.
Thanks for reading and sorry it is so long.

MrsMargoLeadbetter · 25/11/2015 23:17

Hello Whiskers

Wow, that is a some history with food. I really feel for you. I think your childhood probably meant you were unlikely to have a normal relationship with food. It sounds like you have managed to get yourself onto an even keel - which is a massive achievement in itself. Well done.

How does the 3 meals feel? It is great to feel less guilty about eating. :)

Sleep - thanks for that link. It reminds me of the Beyond Chocolate lady's 'journey' I think she just let herself eat what she wanted until she got to a point where she didn't want it any more. I am too scared (of weight gain) to go that far.

Thanks to you and Jass for the encouragement re Pump. I am booked in on Fri night, but might need to work, will see.

Food hasn't been too bad this week. I did avoid being at home having not eaten for few hours on Mon. It meant paying £6 for lunch in Pret, but it worked. Not sure if it a long term solution (!) but I was pleased I thought ahead to what might happen and put in a place an avoidance tactic.

I am not getting enough sleep though. Off to bed now.

Thinking of you all.

Themodernuriahheep · 25/11/2015 23:39

May I join, please? I've binge eaten ever since my DF died when I was 13, a very very long time ago now. But it wasn't desperate until I got married. Life has been hard since. I've tried various things with varying but never permanent success. And I can't bear approaches that tell you to think about the great spirit/God. The AA 12 step approach would be fine but makes me squirm.

I've dipped into this thread and will read both it and its predecessors. And I shall read Fairburn.

mrswhiskers · 26/11/2015 10:42

I'm finding 3 meals ok. I used to say that if I ate breakfast then it made me eat more but now that I'm allowing myself to eat more I'm not following nosing that's the case. Every day I have to force myself to eat breakfast though. I feel a bit guilty eating a lunch on the days I'm not working as I feel I don't or shouldnt need it (even though I'm hungry Confused)
I do feel I'm eating a lot though as I'm more used to restricting and eating diet foods so I'm finding I feel full after my meals which is good. I'm not going over a normal amount of food so far and feel satisfied but the weekend is my danger time for bingeing as there are periods when I am left alone in the evening and I cram in as much as I can.
I've cut my exercise back to one run a week. I have an active life otherwise and burnt myself out about a month ago and could hardly move off the sofa for 2 weeks. That was when I began to realise my lifestyle wasn't healthy physically or mentally.
I went a run this morning And was surprised how energised I was probably because I'm giving my body proper fuel.

mrswhiskers · 26/11/2015 10:42

*following nosing = finding Hmm

MrsMargoLeadbetter · 28/11/2015 11:21

Welcome Modern. I didn't get on with OA either. I like the support aspect, but it all seemed a bit mysterious re finding a sponsor. For me, I need to feel it is something I can control myself.

Sorry to hear your lost your DF so young. You say things have been harder since getting married, are you still married? I know I have found having DC very difficult.

Have you had counselling re your DF?

Whiskers sounds like you are already making progress and working out what is best for you. Can you prepare for your typical binge times? I know sometimes acknowledging that it could be a difficult time helps and it stops me - sometimes....

Great your run felt better. Do you think you stick to doing it less?

What started as a great week, ended up with lots of tears. I just feel so overwelmed with everything. However, I do know that a lot of "it" is brought on myself. I am pretty much always the one that organises everything in most relationships and it is exhausting.

I stopped myself last night offering to order my own xmas gift on behalf of my Dbro. We have really pared down gifts, so the adults only have to buy one gift - yet I wanted to take that task on - what is wrong with me!>!>!>

Also, I don't feel I am cut out for self-employment. Too many people all "getting" at me. But it will be an effort going back to work and stopping freelancing. And there is a part of me that feels the issue is me, not what I am doing and that grass won't be much greener in employment.

Anyway, I am off to a spa with friends, which is a lovely treat. So I am going to try to relax and enjoy it.

Anyone else have plans for the weekend?