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Binge Eating Disorder Support 3

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FightingBed2014 · 13/04/2015 18:49

Welcome, this thread is for those that have disordered eating / Binge Eating Disorder (BED) and need support. We are all working towards a better relationship with food, together. Everyone is welcome to join in and share as much or as little as you like. Our focus is on learning to be happy with who we are right now and moving away from our negative self image, thoughts and eating patterns one step at a time.

Previous threads can be found here:

Thread 1 March 2014
Thread 2 October 2014

My blog following recovery from BED can be read here:Fighting BED

Many of us are following Dr Fairburn's Overcoming Binge Eating Second Edition book Here This is also used by a lot of Eating Disorder services in their treatment programmes.

Although we have no rules, we would ask that people either avoid talking about or be mindful when it is necessary that the following can be a trigger for those with an eating disorder; asking advice on how to start a new diet, talking about specific weight and clothes sizes. Please also remember that those supporting you need support too.

This thread was started by a BED sufferer and the majority of contributors are Eating disorder sufferers and not professionals. As with any online forum, it is best to supplement support on here with real life support and advice from professionals

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jassS · 23/05/2015 15:26

Elfin, as already has been said, BED before recovery starts is exactly what you have - the feeling of being trapped, not knowing what to do: restrict or not restrict? It is damn scary to accept the not restricting bit. Very scary. because the first binges tend to go on for weeks whoch happen thereafter. But one day you will wake up and feel that craving for a tomato. Or an orange. Pls try to eat first what tou know is good, like breakfast of eggs or why not avocado/salmon - that is bthw my brekfast with salad leaves and some quinoa - and then eat all you want whatever tou crave at that stage. Try a couple of weeks - yes, probably you will gain some, but it is no big desl if it later on rids you of this obsession. Of course, we all atill struggle here. but reading your long post it is clear that not to the extent tha it was before recovery started to come in!

Pls honestly stop restrictions. - your body will only believe you that this is a case after many weeks, maybe months. But the urge to constantly binge goes quicke,r it did for me at least. Try overcomingovereating, by Jane Hirshman,if three meals a day and snacks only leave you dreaming of the next fix! I could not have done any of this three meals per day business at the height of my BED, no way. I needed total freedom, and still do - I can not journal, I can not rwteict myself to three meals a day. But I make sure I get at least three a day, so that restricting does not creep back in.

I do not know it helps, but I only gained I think about 5-6 kg before it sll eased up. i had already gained about 5 by the point I started non-restricting apporach, by yo-yo dieting. In fact 10, but 5 from BMI 18, i.e. first five I do not count as came from underweight territories. I was 25, I weighed only 55 kg (175cm), then lost the ability of successfully dieting, yo-yoed to 65 and have been hovering around 70-72 for several years now. Even woth several miscarriages and several prednisolone (steroid!) treatments to avoid mc, I have again after mc and stop of treatment resettled at my stable weight point. I wrote these numbers out so you can see I gained more from yo-yo and restrictions than from giving up restrictions! and the set point, even if it seems so horrible and when I started not restricting the idea I might end up permanently in the 70ies just made me cringe with pure fear, I have rationalised it now as being still within normal weight range. I compensate by keeping fit, as it is easier to do - again, something to do than something to avoid. It helps, even if I tend to get sports binges, too!

And about the childhood and endless amount of food you wanted even then- I am also one of those whose only psychological issue seems to be the obsessive need to be slim snd resulting BED - I am not eating any other withheld emotions etc., as far as I am aware. But, reading about your cookies I remember one pictur of me as an 8mo baby with horribly distended belly and my mother explained that I had just finished of 3 x200 mg of full fat cow milk, non-pastorized snd streight from a family farm (I do not judge her, 1970 and Soviet Union, cows milk for 8mo was regular, and I have no food allergies or lactose intolerance, so prob it did me nothing apart from giving me more fat cells than a baby with more restricted diet would have had). I grew out of my baby fat I think only because in 80ies, my teenage years, food restrictions in SU got really severe. In kindergarten I was still aplump child and I was put one year ahead my age group as the portions were bigger in the bigger kids' group and I was hungry in my own age group... No second servings in my kindergarten, you see. So, someof u sare just born with huge appetite and with societal ideals being so different BED is inevitable!

MrsMargoLeadbetter · 24/05/2015 11:24

Good post Jass. I also like fightings reflection on if we focus on our behaviours & willpower we are bound to feel defeated. Sad

Jass post a while back about us generally being achieving women (as observed externally by others) really struck me. I 'over achieve' in lots of aspects in my life as I am perfectionist. A client actually told me that once....Sad !

BED gives me an outlet for the stress this causes. I often think that if I hadn't been scared to death of drugs after reading a 'Just say no' leaflet as a child I would have been a candidate for drug use.

At the group I am in, most there have the hallmarks of 'success', but obviously none believe it. Sad

I had a small slip last night. I saw a friend in passing who I was a bit upset with a while back. I just feel a bit confused by it all as she has said little, which leaves plenty of space for me to imagine all sorts of things!

It has been a good reminder that however difficult it might feel, it is better to speak out at the time. I still feel agrieved months later - what a waste of emotion & energy.

Hope you are all having a good w/end?

FightingBed2014 · 24/05/2015 11:45

Morning, just about anywaySmile.

Sorry to hear you had that experience yesterday Margo, it's so hard to fill those spaces with rational thoughts or none at all. Do you have any chance to talk through with your friend?

It's interesting that you have seen a pattern of achievers in your group. My experience so far with EDS has been the same, I just don't know how to accept that side of me. There are no emotions at all when I hear someone talk of my achievement, I could however give plenty of examples of failures. Sad

The drugs and alcohol thoughts definitely resonate with me. It is the one thing that makes me thankful for BEDBlush. If I didn't have DC there would have been occasions where I could have gone down a darker road. My aversion was seeing childhood friends destroy their lives using.

I am back to hiding away. Friday was EDS session to check I still wanted treatment and that was tough. Thankfully I have realised I'm due on so it will be a crappy time anyway. DH is being great and giving me time alone.

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MrsMargoLeadbetter · 24/05/2015 12:10

I know fighting. 'Success' is so subjective anyway isn't it. We looked at the messages magazines give us in the group. There are so many message about how "we" should be.

Do you follow Jezebel, Mighty Girl & Amy Poelr's Smart Girls on Facebook? Both like to focus on other stuff than 'just' what women look like. Mighty Girl is actually aimed at parents of girls (they are a US toy shop) but they share interesting stuff about what women are doing.

I try to hang onto the compliments but as you say, much easier to list the negatives!

Sorry to hear the appt brought up difficult stuff & with the double whammy of yr period.

Are you able to write down (not necess on here) why it was difficult?

Great you are able to have some alone time. Flowers

FightingBed2014 · 24/05/2015 12:35

I agree, I try really hard as it is heartbreaking to think DC may feel that about themselves one day. We work hard to avoid it, so far they are confident and proud of what they do.

Thank you for the FB page suggestions, I have had a look and quite like them. Good timing as I had a clear out of pages I no longer read this morning.

When I feel up to it I will do a blog post. Right now thinking of it makes me feel sad. I guess there is just so much to still work through emotionally. I am aware that talking to people in RL about my issues is scary because I have the life long lesson from DM's behaviour: sharing your vulnerability will result in being hurt and used against you. My logical side isn't able to stop that ingrained response to want to shut down and run away yet.Sad I can only continue to try and change that, one day it will be gone.

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jassS · 24/05/2015 14:55

So many sad feelongs around.?.

None here. Though a mighty binge. Am taking kids to London tomorrow for half term, so need to empty the fridge. Of course. And this half bottle of wine left over from yesterday's eurovision wathcing party. And the part itself was a bit snacky too. Interestingly, even if I coul dnot acoid snacking and now can not avoid eating my frodge empty, I feel like laughing about it all. Like standing beside me,s eeing through these excuses and laughing at myself. Intersting, to say the least. i also did my only long training run I allowed myself to do before long LUX ING half-marathon (on the evenign when we get home from London. having gone to City airport silly-o-clock and the run starts 19.00. Did it yesterday. today took bike out to ease off some tired muscles without running again. Maybe that is why I need all this food, but frankly I know I did not spend that much as I have subsequently eaten. But - no restrictions, just observing...

sosopurple · 26/05/2015 19:57

ugh coming to the end (i hope) of a 4 day binge. feel so disgusting Sad
was doing well i think. going to start step 1 again...

FightingBed2014 · 26/05/2015 22:10

soso, as hard as it is, don't beat yourself up about it. These binges will happen but they do also end. Be kind to yourself, like Fairburn said, let honor the 'all or nothing' approach. There will be a reason why it happened and you could try to assess that instead. Are you aware of what may have triggered it?x

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FightingBed2014 · 26/05/2015 22:11

sorry *go of not honor.

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sosopurple · 26/05/2015 22:24

It might have just been the moving on to step 2 that triggered me and the trying to plan the 3 meals a day. I'm not sure exactly. Will think about it.

MrsMargoLeadbetter · 26/05/2015 22:43

Sorry to hear that too sos.

What about 3 meals is difficult? The planning, the lack of restriction, the ignoring of any food 'rules', the having to choose food to eat and not knowing what...? I know I found myself feeling a bit unsure about it all. I still have the years and years of conflicting 'diet' advice swimming around in my head. I felt unsure as to what was the right choice. I really don't trust myself, but I think that is part of the process too.

You posted and it sounds like you want to move past this. As fighting says it will happen, we just need to get past it.

Have had a couple of periods of overeating the last 2 nights. Not binges but eating more than I need.

I did force myself to look in the mirror at the gym yesterday. I hadn't really realised how mirror phobic I am until I started this process last year. I also wore leggings and a giant tshirt which I am pleased about. It would be easy to hide in hot baggy jogging bottoms, but as it was pilates I knew leggings would be more suitable. That felt like a small step.

Hope the rest of you are doing ok and that you are enjoying London Jass. It does sound like you might need to flex your intake depending on your running schedule - do you?

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sleepwhenidie · 27/05/2015 21:41

Elfin what you describe, the feeling that "without restrictions I would just eat and eat and eat ", is very common. And one thing (iirc) Fairburn doesn't address so much is the subject of nutrition - his approach is very much that a calorie is a calorie so let go of restrictions completely in terms of "good" or "bad" food. But this approach works only up to a point, because there are certain things we need, food wise, for our bodies and brains to feel satisfied and work well. In that sense, a calorie is not just a calorie Smile. Your breakfast of coffee and chocolate - fine, but nutritionally speaking, not so great. It's pretty inevitable that hunger and cravings will follow fairly soon after Smile. So I would think in "parent" mode alongside trying to let go of restrictions (it's a bit of a balancing act Smile). Would you give DC just caffeine and chocolate for breakfast? How about eggs, or porridge with nuts and fruit, or soled salmon and cream cheese with a bagel? These last are all great for good fat, protein and some carbs to nourish your body well for the morning-and if you want a couple of squares of chocolate with a coffee to finish it off then do that. How would that sound as a starting point? You like food, so enjoy it, eat it consciously, all kinds, with a responsible approach - keep asking yourself as you eat if every mouthful tastes as good as the first....once the answer starts switching to no, think about stopping, you can find something as enjoyable later.

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sleepwhenidie · 28/05/2015 08:49

It's ok Elfin, I have time Smile. It can be hard trying to get a handle on individuals here rather than properly talking, but I wonder if you are compounding your problems by labelling yourself in the way you do - "a binger, compulsive, obsessive eater", you are creating a fear of food with this and this in itself will elicit a stress response in your body, which will work against good digestion, metabolism, sense of satisfaction and nourishment. Also choosing things like low sugar chocolate...you are restricting still and also restricting pleasure - you aren't fooling yourself that you are having what you really want so again, it's unlikely you will be satisfied by it.

I'd strongly recommend you read The Slow Down Diet by Marc David, I'll link in a sec. It deals with the way we all search for the 'perfect' diet (that doesn't exist), how we label certain foods as good or bad and how what we should be doing is taking the nourishing approach and aiming for maximum quality, nourishment and pleasure (slowly!) from everything we eat, whether it's chocolate or broccoli! It's a gentle and nurturing perspective rather than one that sets is on a kind of battle with food and appetite Smile

sleepwhenidie · 28/05/2015 08:52

Slow Down Diet, it's not actually a diet and the principles can be easily applied with the Fairburn programme and I think even compliments it.

sleepwhenidie · 28/05/2015 08:56

Margo well done on the leggings! Could you be ready for some mirror work do you think?

runningLou · 28/05/2015 09:02

I really need help everybody as I am ready to give up with Fairburn, I have steadily gained 2lbs per week since beginning 3 weeks ago. I was not starting from a low weight but from a BMI of 23 and now I am at the very top of normal weight. Any more gain and I will be overweight, which I have only ever been after having DC2. I really feel like 'normal' eating just spells incessant gain for me. I can't stand it any more. I am eating healthily, for instance last night I had salmon with mixed grain salad, lamb's lettuce, carrot and cucumber followed by mango and melon with a bit of strained yogurt. That was after cycling 8ish miles. This morning I have had millet and oat porridge with cashew nuts and apricots, with a carrot/apple/ginger juice. I don't know if it's portion size... I have read that stress and cortisol can lead to weight gain, but what can you do if weight gain is a cause of stress?? It's such a vicious cycle... Ready to give up now and seek a diet that will allow me to get just a few pounds off. None of my clothes fit me, I feel foul, I have no intimacy with DH.

DuskyDolphin · 28/05/2015 12:57

Lou, if you want to go on a diet, then give yourself permission to go on a diet.
But before you do, write down your dieting history. Write down every diet you can remember going on. If you're anything like me that will be nearly all of them. Write down your starting weight. Write down the weight you lost during the diet. Then write down your weight a month, two or three months after each diet.
I would bet that you gained back the weight you lost during the diet,plus possibly a bit more each time.
This is the diet-binge cycle that so many of us have found ourselves in.
I totally understand the fear and panic you're describing now. I've binged my way up to BMI top end of obese. It's taken nearly 35 years. I can look back and see a clear pattern. I would go on a diet, lose some weight. But then every time without fail I've binged myself back up higher than I weighed in the first place. The restriction of dieting is always going to lead to a binge to those of us with BED.

After you can see your dieting history in black and white, ask yourself why you think it will it be any different this time. Do you believe it will be different this time?

sleepwhenidie · 28/05/2015 14:25

Great post and advice Dusky

Lou, did you do the exercise I suggested, listing the characteristics you love and admire in others and what the people who love you would say about you? I think your self-esteem and identity seems too closely tied to your weight, what else are you proud of, what do you take most pleasure in in life? More focus on these should help a lot. Also, give some thought to the times you were your 'perfect weight' - what was different about life then? If it made everything 'right' then why didn't you stay that weight do you think?

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runningLou · 29/05/2015 09:04

I wrote my dieting history in previous thread. At several points in my life I have dieted very successfully and maintained that weight - e.g. after uni until pg with DC1, then after DC2 until emotional trauma of 2 years ago. Since then I changed my tactic and began restrictive diets (previously I just ate a bit less, but only food I liked. However as this was mainly fruit and muesli I became worried I wasn't eating enough protein). The restrictive diets I have tried (Dukan, 5:2, juice etc, are what drove me to bingeing and laxative abuse. This has all been in the last 2 years due to severe stress / relationship problems / house move / new job. I am eating 3 meals steadily now and have not binged for a few weeks. But I cannot deal with the weight gain. Surely there MUST be a way to eat 3 meals a day and not restrict, yet not gain weight continuously? The gain is making me so anxious and panicky, I am worried I will start to binge or restrict. I don't know what to do.
Sleep, you are right that my (low) self-esteem is tied up too much with weight, but it seems inevitable when my tight clothes are a constant reminder of it and I cannot stand to look at myself.
I cannot do the exercise about characteristics as I feel consumed with guilt about being a bad wife to DH and a rubbish friend.

sleepwhenidie · 29/05/2015 14:51

Lou Sad you have to find a way of getting over the 'bad wife' thing, for the sake of your family as much as yourself. Can you see that after all that has happened, you now need to have enough respect for your DH's opinion to accept and try and live up to it (if that is the life you truly want)? I suspect he values you for more than your figure, just as I imagine you value and love others for much more than how much they weigh? He obviously thinks you are worth forgiving and sticking with - you have to believe that too, otherwise I'm not sure it's going to work..

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh Lou, but I think that food and your body are providing you with a great smokescreen and distraction from facing the real things you need to tackle in your life (like they do for many people) - principally, in your case, rebuilding your relationship (or not). What do you want in that respect, deep down?

What do you mean about being a rubbish friend?