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Binge Eating Disorder Support

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FightingBed2014 · 23/10/2014 16:41

This is our second thread, helping each other through the ups and downs we experience with binge eating. The original thread can be found here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/new_blog_posts/2029166-Eating-Disorder-Recovery

This is open to anyone, no mater how good or bad things are for you. We are all here for support and help to recover from our disordered eating. Talking about how we feel has been the first step to recovery for us. There is hope and life without it.

I blog about my recovery as I go through each new experience, if you want to have a read it's here

ellechapmanblog.wordpress.com

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MrsMargoLeadbetter · 13/04/2015 08:32

Sounds good tea. Are you able to identify why you want to binge when you do? I think focusing on that was/is important & v useful to me. It isn't about the food, but what it 'gives' us. Writing a journal as you eat might help. That is a big part of Fairburn's book.

I usually have a few things. I have one worry/concern and then I pile more on!

Good luck back on the school run fighting. How you feeling? Still a week & a day left of hols here.Shock

teacoffeesomethingsweet · 13/04/2015 08:51

I eat when I fell stressed out and (stupidly) also to reward myself. As in: oh, it's been such a busy day, I somehow survived, let's have a nice massive dinner.
My work has been very stressful, DS has been unwell and OH has been an arse recently too. Therefore, I'm fat.

MrsMargoLeadbetter · 13/04/2015 09:06

That all sounds familiar....

Can you break down the thoughts? That helps with challening them. So 'work stress' could be:

  • 'I am annoyed I didn't finish x, when I should have had enough time.'
  • 'I think I upset x with my comments in the meeting, she seemed a bit off with me later. I am a bad person' etc.

You also need to try to be kind to yourself....Binging is giving you comfort/a way to deal with things etc. It sounds like you have a lot to deal with. Thanks

Gumnast2014 · 13/04/2015 10:35

I really identify with you tea. I so eat to reward myself and I thinkni deserve it. Just need to constantly remind myself in not a dog!!

Third day binge free today and I can already feel the reward thing kicking in saying oh you've done so well.

My problem is also I feel huge even when I'm not. I weighed myself today and thought I would be at least a stone heavier. It was 11.1 but I thought it would be 12.1 at least.

On holiday in Italy and I suppose it's as easy or hard as you want to make it, plenty of options that are kind to me and won't lead to a binge

Have a good da everyone, I'm going to keep bobbing in as I need the support

teacoffeesomethingsweet · 13/04/2015 12:10

I actually am huge. I've put on 3st within the last 2 years. I'm on my lunch now, was really tempted to go and get something huge to eat but I've already had 2 yogurts today and some fruit. I'm not even hungry, so I won't eat. I'll go and get coffee instead. I just keep telling myself that I don't need to eat to feel better.

Gumnast2014 · 13/04/2015 12:41

I have lost 3 stone on slimming world and believed when I got to target weight I would be 'ok' I know now my eating will never be ok. I have lost and put on 3 stone twice before. I haven't got the strength in me to do it again.

Are you following any sort of plan? I've avoiding stuff that makes me binge

teacoffeesomethingsweet · 13/04/2015 12:47

I'm not doing any plan. I promised myself no more plans/diets because I'm really good at sticking to them but as soon as I'm off I go and eat and eat and eat. I lost weight twice (almost 2 stone each time) last year and it all came back on just after the events I was desperately trying to look good for (friend's wedding and my own birthday).
I've always had issues with food. Even as a child I believed I was fat and ugly and I really wasn't. Sometimes I wish I could go and speak to my 5, 10 and 15 year old self to talk some sense into me.

DuskyDolphin · 13/04/2015 13:06

I'm such an infrequent poster to the thread. I do read every couple of days but I'm sooo worried about forgetting to NC before I post, and therefore outing myself, that I'm afraid to post. It's awful that the shame we feel around this ED is so strong.

I wanted to post a quick update, and say hello to tea and gum.

I managed to see the ED counsellor earlier than expected as she had a cancellation.
I'm pleased that she works very closely with the Fairburn book, so I'm doing my food diaries (yes, I'm completing them!), weighing once a week and doing 3 meals and 2 snacks, following his steps.

Her ideas about how to eat are interesting, as she believes in trying to eat most of the time in a way that supports recovery.
What this means in practice is eating regularly, Fairburn's 3 + 2, but also eating much less processed food. I was adamant that "apart from my binge foods" I hardly ate any processed foods and that my eating at mealtimes was healthy. my monitoring sheet proved that not to be the case. So I'm working on minimising processed food, but not eliminating it completely as restricting that much would likely lead to a binge. However, we'll keep a close eye on my monitoring sheets, and if this WOE is making me binge more, we'll change it.
We talked a lot about eating a lower reward diet, making sure there was protein in every meal, and taking vitamins/supplements for at least 3 months to support my body in recovery.

There's a lot to take in, and I'm working through it slowly. I talked with her about my need for structure, while at the same time not having lots of strict rules.
My homework assignment Grin this week is to find a type of chocolate that I like, that contains more cocoa than sugar, one which will be safer for me to eat. Haven't found it yet!
I don't like dark chocolate at all, and even in the better quality chocolate manufacturers, I've yet to find a milk chocolate with higher cocoa content. Thought I'd found one in Willie's Cacao Milk Rio Caribe, but it turns out that I'd misread the label! And that stuff is pricey.

For those of you who are also doing Fairburn, or a version of, can you tell me what you did about eating things like puddings, or sweets and chocolate, at first? Did you just not eat them at all initially, and then later follow his guidance in his Avoiding Dieting chapter to reintroduce them?

Finally, bread is a major trigger for me, as shown by my monitoring sheets. Some bread I just go back and eat more and more of it, but other types of bread trigger me to binge on other foods, not bread. Anyone else found that bread is a problem?

Apologies for super lengthy post!

sleepwhenidie · 13/04/2015 13:15

Welcome tea and Gum I'm glad my suggestions re focus on what else meals involve (other than food) were helpful Smile

Tea you say you don't need to 'eat to feel better', could you identify what it is you think you need to feel better about and what else might do the job? Often we try and use food to fulfil other needs, which it simply can't do. If you need to relax then what would do that (bath, book, a quiet walk), if you need to blow off frustration then rant to a friend, run, punch a pillow, scream into a pillow or even Shock get angry with someone and say what it is you are stuffing down with food, if it's not getting to be the 'real you' then maybe it's some form of creative expression you need...sex, affection, intellectual stimulation...there's a long list of needs we all have that are perfectly normal but get neglected...some of these are easily addressed, many much less so, that require major upheaval in life, but food isn't going to make those needs go away Smile

sleepwhenidie · 13/04/2015 13:23

Hi Dusky, lovely to see you Smile. Your counsellor sounds great. I know some approaches use an 'eat anything' philosophy but I also think it needs tempering a bit with the aim of focusing on unprocessed food and less sugar. Empty calories mess with our brain chemistry and I think that to get on an even keel and from there address the emotional aspects of bingeing, we need to start by feeding our bodies nutrient dense food regularly - that means snacks and meals that include protein and preferably some good fat. What % cocoa is the minimum you are looking for?

FightingBed2014 · 13/04/2015 13:27

Juat a quick drop in. Hi DuskyDolphin, glad that you still read. Hopefully it helps you know others are going through the same and you don't feel alone with it all.

The app with ED services sounds very productive. You're doing so well.Thanks

I was going to ask, can we leave the last post on the thread free so we can post a link to the new one when its up please. Looks like that may be on my things to do later todayGrin.x

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sleepwhenidie · 13/04/2015 13:33

Margo your group sounds like it's helping lots-and definite progress is being kinder to yourself Smile

Fighting what are you up to today now school has started back?

FightingBed2014 · 13/04/2015 13:33

Dusky to answer your question re what do we eat, I am so loving these. They taste like dessert but are full of nutrients

www.naturalbalancefoods.co.uk/uploads/images/medium/770.jpg

The bars are awesome too. I also like Kinnerton chocolate bars. It is dark (I used to prefer milk too) but its sweeter and I have got used to it now.HTH.x

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sleepwhenidie · 13/04/2015 13:34

Just go for it now Fighting? Grin

FightingBed2014 · 13/04/2015 13:36

Been sat with DC2 having cuddles and playing on games with him. Feeling crappy and exhausted. So bored of being ill nowHmm.

Hows your day?x

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AssistanceRequired · 13/04/2015 14:22

Hi can I join you? I see an awful lot of myself in the posts here. Been reading this thread for a little while and read the Fairburn book but I am yet to achieve even one day of 'normal' eating despite starting with good intentions every single morning. 'Normal' for me would be only eating at 3 meal times with maybe an evening snack, and mostly eating relatively healthy foods in reasonable quantities. It's like I know the theory and lots of strategies that could help but how to make myself actually do it??? I seem to have something in my brain that wilfully sabotages what my true aims are. I feel like I have no faith in myself despite really wanting to have a normal relationship with food and lose some weight as I would feel so much better.

sleepwhenidie · 13/04/2015 14:31

Hello Assistance, how would a typical day go for you then, if not 'to plan'? What would you eat and do/feel through the day?

sleepwhenidie · 13/04/2015 14:40

I'm still on holiday Fighting, enjoying some lovely sunshine!

AssistanceRequired · 13/04/2015 14:46

It varies wildly - that's the thing. Very driven by moods. I eat to treat myself, also because I can 'get away with it', if I'm stressed, if I feel happy or excited that's an excuse to reward myself or to make an 'occasion' special (meaning small events like the start of the weekend or a trip out with family). It's like I'm constants looking for an excuse to go overboard or opportunities to have a secret binge.
I'll usually start the day with a normal breakfast but then I can feel myself 'looking out' for opportunities to have something else ie a reason to justify a morning snack. Then I'll feel guilty by lunchtime which will mean I'll either consciously have something 'good' or that'll be it and I'll think sod it and I'm off the rails and have something stodgy followed by whatever I can get my hands on for the rest of the day. Plus a normal, large dinner with family where I'll wangle in a desert or wine or something.
It's like my brain wants to find as many ways to cram in unhealthy and calorie filled foods and I'm constantly fighting against it but also allowing it at the same time. It makes no sense. It's like whenever there's food on offer my brain is looking out for the most fattening and filling options despite my conscious mind knowing this won't really result in me feeling good. Hmmmmmm.

AssistanceRequired · 13/04/2015 14:50

Thanks for answering btw, I've never tried to explain it to anyone before.

sleepwhenidie · 13/04/2015 15:04

Correct me if I'm way off the mark Assistance but it sounds like there are two voices battling in your head, one, the 'parent' and one a child or possibly teenager looking to get away with 'naughty' behaviour Smile (very normal btw). If I asked you how old the person eating the stuff the parent says you shouldn't is, what would you say? Is it a 5year old you, perhaps 10 or 15? Is she rebelling or looking for comfort, perhaps dealing with feelings or situations she doesn't know how to cope with?

Wrt eating when happy, that is common too, what can start off as a way of coping with 'negative' emotions eventually becomes a way of dealing with all emotions for some people.

AssistanceRequired · 13/04/2015 15:11

That's so interesting. And seems so obvious when you say that. It is like that - I do feel like it's rebelling as in I'm 'getting away' with it even though it's myself I'm cheating. I'd definitely imagine it as a teenage me. In fact a lot of the time I struggle with feeling like a responsible grown-up despite being married with children, in my 30's. I don't feel very mature emotionally. Like I need someone responsible to make or at least approve all my decisions. I need to check things all the time and have never really been independent. I'd never linked this with my eating though.

sleepwhenidie · 13/04/2015 15:18

Smile it's amazing how our relationship with food can mirror how we deal with life in general! One way for you to move forward is simply (although easier said than done), for the parent voice to take a break, give the teenager free choice..so there's no longer anything to rebel against. If you struggle with this it can help to actually write down a dialogue between the voices.

At the same time, consider what small steps or changes you can make in other areas of your life to take more responsibility/be more independent?

teacoffeesomethingsweet · 13/04/2015 17:57

Sleep my life is utter crap at the moment. I know that food doesn't really fix anything that's why I want to at least take this under control.
I'm fed up being tired, frustrated AND fat.

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