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Binge Eating Disorder Support

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FightingBed2014 · 23/10/2014 16:41

This is our second thread, helping each other through the ups and downs we experience with binge eating. The original thread can be found here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/new_blog_posts/2029166-Eating-Disorder-Recovery

This is open to anyone, no mater how good or bad things are for you. We are all here for support and help to recover from our disordered eating. Talking about how we feel has been the first step to recovery for us. There is hope and life without it.

I blog about my recovery as I go through each new experience, if you want to have a read it's here

ellechapmanblog.wordpress.com

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MrsMargoLeadbetter · 25/01/2015 14:54

I'd echo what fighting says.

It took me years to realise what I was doing isn't normal. And I have only just spoken to a GP about it.

I think builma with vomitting and anorecixia (sp) are probably the most 'easy' to spot EDs, but there are many other forms of eating issues.

What we all have in common is that it isn't about the food. It is a way of coping with other stuff.

Could you go to yr GP?

FightingBed2014 · 25/01/2015 15:04

Yes, spot on Margo. I am really proud of you. Seeing you get to this stage is wonderful. Do you feel like you have turned a corner?Thanks x

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sleepwhenidie · 25/01/2015 21:02

Welcome Gum, I'd like to add to the others' recommendations to speak to your GP. A thread like this can provide amazing help and support but it won't come close to personal professional help Smile. Let us know how you get on.

About the call, I am happy to give my time, but as I sort of anticipated, a group in a chat room when not face to face is tricky, without the nuances you get from facial expression and body language makes it impossible to gauge when people are uncomfortable or need a little encouragement to say what they need to. It can too easily head off at a tangent...

sleepwhenidie · 25/01/2015 21:14

Margo on the eating - the very first thing I work with with almost any client, with any complaint (perhaps for example someone with IBS they can't seem to change) is mindful eating. There was actually an article about this a few days ago in respect of weight, I will link, it talks about how when we focus on and properly enjoy meals or snacks, we rain satiated for longer - it seems the brain needs to properly register the process of eating and then it regulates appetite (and thereby weight), something I teach clients. But the article omits the other aspect of eating without focus and enjoyment and that relates to the body's stress response. When we fear food, or feel guilt about eating, or eat in a rush, our body is in a mild stress response. That means you are in 'fight or flight' mode, ready to flee from a predator. Digestion and metabolism is compromised when we are in this state so you don't get the best, nutritionally speaking, nor is food used as efficiently for energy. In addition, we produce cortisol, which triggers fat storage and leaches nutrients from our body. The opposite happens when we are relaxed and engaged with the enjoyment of food. So yes, practice eating without any distractions, relaxing and enjoying. Try just for a week or two and see how you get on Smile

sleepwhenidie · 25/01/2015 21:15

Here's the article BBC News

sleepwhenidie · 25/01/2015 21:19

'Rain satiated'Hmm.. remain satiated!

sleepwhenidie · 25/01/2015 21:21

Oh and just to add, even if you are having biscuits between meals, then treat the snack the same way, get a plate, sit, relax (take a few deep breaths to do this and anticipate) and enjoy calmly Smile

Italiangreyhound · 27/01/2015 01:54

Hi all, no worries about the chat room Margot. I did not get really into it and would be happy to try it again another time if it ever comes up as an idea again.

I just watched this www.upworthy.com/some-say-this-model-is-fat-she-gives-such-a-perfect-response-that-even-ellen-applauds?c=reccon2 very interesting.

Had a bad two days but back on the wagon. Life a bit stressful but now OK.

Best wishes to all.

FightingBed2014 · 27/01/2015 11:44

Hi Italian, although you say uou had two bad days, you have moved past them. That us really great and good progress. Previously this may have been more of an issue for you but it sounds like there is a change there? How do you feel about it?x

This week is much better for me. My eating has now calmed down and the need to binge has dipped a lot. I feel more like myself in general.x

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MrsMargoLeadbetter · 27/01/2015 20:13

Sleep thanks for the thoughts on mindfulness. I have to admit the whole idea of being 'mindful' really difficult! My brain goes about 100mph with all the things I should be doing/planning etc. I don't really do 'calm' or 'peaceful mind'!!

But I realise that slowing down and enjoying food is important. I am trying. Thanks for the link too.

Italian sorry you missed out & to hear you have had a stressful time. Good to hear you are back. Are you still OAing?

LOVE that model on Ellen! Thanks for the link. What an inspirational attitude.

I have to say the permission that the Fairburn book has given me to eat (instead of approaching every meal with "I really shouldn't") is great, it feels life changing.

My new approach was tested today though. Today I was reflecting on how I reacted to a couple of older kids hanging about in the park at the w/end, whispering to each other (saying horrible things I guess, that was the impression they gave) and throwing sweets about with intent. DS was a bit scared of them.

I encouraged him to ignore them (and talked to him about how they were probably not very happy or why would they be hanging about in the park with little kids) and the park was big enough that we weren't near them, and then actually they left. But a friend - who is one of life's strong people - was suggesting she would have confronted them.

I just find confrontation difficult because of DF. I felt like I'd failed to a) protect DS and b) to be a good role model - I should have challenged them.

I read this article about young women "losing their voice" www.fastcompany.com/3041179/strong-female-lead/how-we-can-help-young-girls-stay-assertive and thought of myself (not that I am a young woman!!)

Although I would also say, I do think there is some element of sense in not confronting strangers - you don't know how they will react.

Anyway I managed to navigate the urge to binge by having a sleep (so tired as DD was up for 2 hours in the night laughing and faffing about) and I feel calmer about the 'park incident'. That feels like progress. :)

Italiangreyhound · 28/01/2015 23:55

Fighting thanks for your positiveity. I feel like I am quicker to see when things are wrong and try and stop myself getting into that bad mood mind set.

It is helpful to see a counsellor and talk to her.

I also had a family occasion recently and had a LOT of cake in the house. I found myself eating it (YES I am diabetic, so a huge no no) and yet to throw away good cake would have been horrible). So I parcelled it up and gave it to friends. Just one piece each. I offered people a choice of cakes, and a yes or no, so no one was obligated to take it. Everyone was very happy and I even got a text saying it was he nicest carrot cake they had ever had (thankfully I had not made it!)

Margot Re Good to hear you are back. Are you still OAing?

I must be honest and say I am finding OA less easy. Like most things when you take a break from it (5 weeks over Christmas and New Year) it is hard to get back into it.

Re I just find confrontation difficult because of DF. I felt like I'd failed to a) protect DS and b) to be a good role model - I should have challenged them.

What is because of DF?

I think you were right not to challenge them. Sometimes we feel it is right to talk to youngsters and I sometimes feel as a society we need to do that when they are doing things that are dangerous or anti social. But in this instance it sounds like it was not really either. I also sometimes feel one is the ring leader and the other follows suit. If you challenge them both they may end up acting up and being aggressive etc. Of course it is a split second choice. You usually decide how to react and go with it.

There are lots of times when I did not speak up, two come to mind where children were bullying on a train. And I wish I had spoken up. I really do. But just for littering or whatever then I would (if I were you) in the words of lovely Elsa from Frozen "Let it go!"

You taught your son it was safe to stay in a park where some people were being a bit silly. He would be fine, you were there, he was fine. You did good.

I sometimes find actually I am more assertive with 'kids' if I am cross about something else. Then a kid messing about is just too much! Again, I feel we decide quite early on what we will do (or at least I do).

I must admit my 'what is safe' radar is a bit skewered because I think lots of things are less safe than they really are. A child on a low wall etc! But then I personally know a child who did something like break an arm by falling from a low roof and have heard of another who died in an accident falling from a roof. Once on the beach kids were jumping quite far out over a wall. Again there was a main ring leader and one kids following happily and one nervously thinking about following. I just said something like, "I think that is very dangerous and if you fall badly could end up in a wheel chair." Then I left it at that. After a few minutes they stopped and left. I guess I was actually just covering my own back because if one had had a nasty fall I would have felt I should have warned them! Again, my radar can be off as in my bad old OCD says I felt responsible for everything, even a stray banana peel or plastic bag that someone could trip on!

Anyway, enough of me.

Hugs to one and all.

Thanks
MrsMargoLeadbetter · 29/01/2015 13:31

Italian well done on the cake give away! Are you not eating any sugar re diabetes? Did you go for metaformin?

Sorry to hear you are struggling to get back into OA. Have you been back to a meeting? Been in touch with any meeting goers?

Thank you so much for your thoughtful and full reply. Thanks It is so useful to gain another's perspective. I just find DS struggling with esteem so difficult as it worries me he'll up like me :(

I tried to encourage him to write down some good/nice things about himself today and he let me write some and then crossed them out. Sad

I did ask what is wrong and in the end he wrote down he wants to see a friend who isn't at school which I have arranged. At least I was there listening I guess.

DF used to explode, so I have been 'taught' to defuse/ignore/pacify....so even two 10 year olds in the park worries me!

Anyway, enough about me (!) how is everyone else?

ourglass · 29/01/2015 18:19

I've just been directed to this thread and my god am I so relieved. I feel like crying!

I'll keep this short and sweet but things need to change. I've only recently come to terms that I do in fact have BED after reading Overcoming Binge Eating by Christopher G Fairburn.

I've been suffering with it for around 5 years and I've just had enough. From around age 11 I've always had an issue with food and weight. I think it all started at secondary school when I had a litte more excess puppy fat than most. As most BED suffers I restrict diet > think about food > binge > hate myself > start again.

I'm so glad I've found this thread. I'm going to read it from start to finish!

ourglass · 29/01/2015 18:26

Is this the worst time of day for anyone? It starts around 4pm for me. I can start picking while making dinner, then think fuck it, have a bigger portion than I wanted then think it's ruined and then eat all evening. Sometimes, even after I've had a lovely, tasty, filling dinner about 5 mins after I will want to eat more? My mouth is salivating right now just thinking about when my DH leaves for football in 20 mins and I can stuff my face in secret.

Why?

IronMaggie · 29/01/2015 18:36

Welcome ourglass - I'm glad you've found us. Hopefully you'll find some help and support here - the ladies are all lovely. Everything you've said sounds very familiar, my triggers are definitely more pronounced later in the day. And I sometimes find myself looking for excuses to send DP out when I feel a binge coming, so I can do it in peace / secret. You've done well to start working through Fairburn, I'm only on step 1 but very hopeful that it'll help alleviate the problem. Stick around!

FightingBed2014 · 29/01/2015 18:38

DDo glad you came over ourglass. I just happened to come across your post in chat. In answer to your question, for me yes it is the worst time of day. Exactly how you describe yours. I look forward to weekends so I can eat, fridays so I can have more food and know I don't have to go out. There are loads more but the most important thing is, thanks a lot to this thread and Mr Fairburn I have come a long way towards recovery and it no linger rules my life. I have good and bad periods now.

As you will see when you read the thread (the first one is long too, sorryGrin) we are all changing how we feel about food, our approaches and learning to deal with the causes. It's a slow and steady approach but very effective.

I do hope you find it a help. One of us is generally around at any time. The important thing to remember is by helping each other we can learn from different experinces and get better too.x

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ourglass · 29/01/2015 18:45

Right, he's gone.

I'm going to do 30 Day Shred, have a bath and then paint my nails, as Dr Fairburn says, if you can source the start a binge (for me right now it's because i'm my own with nothing to do all evening) then make steps for a solution. I will do this this evening, not a morsel will pass my lips. If I do this then I will have successfully had 3 normal meals today, and no binge. I've not done that in years.

Thank you both for the warm welcome. Better to fight this in numbers eh Flowers

ourglass · 29/01/2015 18:46

Ps glad that is tons to read! I wonder if this time of day is common? Is anyone's partner aware of their behaviour? Glad to see people are using Dr Fairburn too x

sleepwhenidie · 29/01/2015 18:55

Welcome ourglass Smile. I don't know how far you have got into the Fairburn book's steps in the plan but I'm sure you read what he says about regular meals and snacks. Apart from making sure breakfast and lunch is suitably nourishing, I'd strongly suggest planning in advance your afternoon snack at around 4pm as you know that is when you feel hungry. It is very normal to do so by the way, apart from it being 3-4 few hours after lunch so it's natural to feel hungry, it is also around then that our metabolisms slow down to their lowest rate during the daytime, so we may feel a little sleepy and in need of a boost (which naturally triggers a craving for sugar/carbs).

So plan for something you know will satisfy you - an apple sliced and spread with almond butter is great, or a bowl of (full fat) greek yoghurt and berries, or some cheese with a piece of fruit or some olives, perhaps some crudites with houmous. Put it on a plate, sit down and really take your time with it so that your brain absorbs the process too (rather than picking at stuff, standing in the kitchen or in front of the tv or being in a sort of denial of the fact that you are actually eating Smile). Think of it as 'early dessert' if it makes you feel more comfortable about it. Hopefully this will provide enjoyment and sustenance and diminish the urge to continue picking at stuff. Also by planning and giving yourself permission, you've removed the 'I shouldn't be eating this', or 'well I've blown it, might as well eat whatever I see and start again tomorrow' aspect that can be so disastrous Smile.

ourglass · 29/01/2015 19:22

Thank you very much for that bit of advice sleep.

Workout done, so going to have a bath! Step 1 of 3 complete..

spanky2 · 29/01/2015 19:37

I am so lucky to have found you. I have calmed down the binge eating but I don't have a normal relationship with food. I am going to take the time to read the whole thread tomorrow. The 'stop overeating' book is no use to me as after I did the little test it explained what I already knew, I eat to avoid confronting my problems! D'uh?! I had an abusive childhood and have gone non contact after my parents started on my dcs. I don't always feel strong enough to deal with it. Digestive biscuits any biscuit, which is weird as normally I don't have a sweet tooth.

KissMyFatArse · 29/01/2015 19:50

. Just marking place so I can find this when back on mobile site

FightingBed2014 · 29/01/2015 20:11

spanky2 is this http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Overcoming_Binge_Eating.html?id=9A_VJal_FWwC&redir_esc=y the book you have?

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FightingBed2014 · 29/01/2015 20:47

Italian how are you feeling after the last post? Giving the cake away was a really positive idea. I like that you asked if they wanted it too. Replacing guilty and worrying with a solution is a great step. I think we all share the trait of seeing the negative easily, especially where we are concerned. It is possible to change, as many people before us have done. I can actually say positive things about myself, which was almost impossible a year ago. Watching the post change on here is wonderful, I have seen changed in you and what you write. You're doing great.x

Margo I think you did a wonderful job with your DC in the park. I can understand the intimidating emotions you would have felt in that situation and perhaps in the past may have left? I admire how you handled it. That there shows how unlike DF you are and how good a DM your being for your DC. Flowers

Maggie how are you feeling, I hope this week has been ok for you? I agree with what you said about the other ladies on the thread, it is very nice to be a part of such a wonderful group.

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sleepwhenidie · 29/01/2015 20:56

Margo I think you are doing a great job with your DS, you clearly love him unconditionally, its the biggest gift you can give him for him to know and feel that Flowers. I don't think there was any right or wrong way to handle the situation in the park so please don't dwell on it! I'm glad the permission with food thing has resonated so strongly with you. Also remember that the permission is removing a great deal of your stress around food, giving an added benefit for your body Smile.