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Donor conception

For anyone with experience of sperm or egg donation to share support and advice. Please remember this board isn’t for debate about donor conception.

I approached a friend about being a donor but now we’ve decided to try a relationship first

225 replies

Homemaker86 · 28/11/2022 19:00

Good evening,

Some background on me, I am 36 years old and a couple of months ago, actually almost three months ago, I approached an online friend of mine who lives in another country (we’ve never met but have been online friends for nearly two decades now) asking if he would be a sperm donor. We spent about eight hours talking that evening and we decided to try and meet for the first time and try to see if we can get into relationship first before going down the donor route. We’ve agreed that no matter what happens we will be parents together but have any of you experienced this i.e. a potential or actual becoming a romantic partner instead? Since that day; at least once a week, sometimes twice, we will spend up to 15 hours speaking with each other in one sitting.

We have video chatted and spoke on the phone and he’s spoken to my mother and he’s told his mother about me.

TL;DR I approached an online friend about being a donor but now we’ve decided to try a relationship first before we have children together.

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Notanotherone6 · 28/11/2022 21:28

What happens when it inevitably goes tits up and he's determined to take his child to the other side of the world? One of you will be an absent parent, and the child will suffer immensely.

Don't do it.

Differentnamedifferentplace · 28/11/2022 21:30

OP don't do it. Frankly you don't sound stable enough to have a child. Talk all this through with a therapist.

Homemaker86 · 28/11/2022 21:31

I had him on Facebook and we checked in on each other during this period and there was no flirtation or anything untoward when he was involved with someone. In fact he gave my dating advice the last few years; as I said this only started 2 1/2 months ago. nobody cheated on anyone

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RandomMusings7 · 28/11/2022 21:32

Why didn't he have any kids with his ex of 10 years?

SadButTheTruth · 28/11/2022 21:34

Why is OP’s language weirdly provoking? I can’t put my finger on it but it feels like OP asked something which they knew would not be generally supported and are now clapping back in a nonchalant way as if the original proposal was well thought out and reasonable. 🤔

CJsGoldfish · 28/11/2022 21:40

As always, it's the child that will pay the price of the parents selfish actions. If only people could look beyond their own wants and fantasy scenarios

There are some very real, very serious possible endings to this, enough to make anyone else have second thoughts but you've done nothing but dismiss them. Thinking of yourself above any potential child is not the greatest start to motherhood 🤷‍♀️

RandomMusings7 · 28/11/2022 21:40

SadButTheTruth · 28/11/2022 21:34

Why is OP’s language weirdly provoking? I can’t put my finger on it but it feels like OP asked something which they knew would not be generally supported and are now clapping back in a nonchalant way as if the original proposal was well thought out and reasonable. 🤔

I would have called troll from the beginning had it not been for OPs other post from 2019 being consistent with the story. Unfortunately I think this might be genuine.

I have my own assumptions about why the wording sounds so weird, but I'll keep those to myself.

Wiluli · 28/11/2022 21:42

I’m going to try and reason with you . I have no issue with using a donor , my best friend used a sperm donor she meet . But they had STI tests , they discussed financial and legal implications and basically as she wanted to be a single mum all went according to plan and that boy is now 7 and neither my friend or do not had any issues . What you are suggesting is very naive . By all means try as relationship if you like this guy but simply having one to make a baby ? Makes nil sense .
At the very least consider the legal implications on custody and give birth in the U.K. and consider nit adding him initially to the BC .
Im sorry but this seems very immature from you . How do you even know he is who he says he is and not dangerous ?

Homemaker86 · 28/11/2022 21:48

Life happens. They had a business together that they were building and a house they’d bought and then by year 8, he started to realise the relationship wasn’t the same and it wasn’t going to work.

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whynotwhatknot · 28/11/2022 21:53

Theres no such thing as soulamtes but if this is real just be careful-you cant just move to another country btw it doesnt work like that but id still advise against it if you do getg pregnant as you wont be able to leave that country without his permission

i also had a taot reading once that said id have 3 children-i have none out of choice its a load of crap

RandomMusings7 · 28/11/2022 21:53

But he still stayed for 2 more years instead of finding a woman to have kids with? At 42?

Are you sure he actually wants kids and isn't just playing along?

Rowen32 · 28/11/2022 21:54

Have you considered you might not be able to conceive a baby with him so you go to all this trouble but don't get pregnant which is started the whole thing?

Mehmeh22 · 28/11/2022 21:54

Wonder if you'll say 'Life Happens' when you're stuck in a foreign country with a kid and no support?

It's literally like you're mind has been possessed

QuizzlyBears · 28/11/2022 21:55

He’s your closest friend but in 16 years neither of you have felt the inclination to make the effort to actually meet in person….and yet you want a baby together. And that’s before the logistics of raising a child - together? Would one of you move? What’s the immigration situation? Good Lord. No.

ShimmeringShirts · 28/11/2022 21:56

I’d revisit using donor sperm, something about this is setting alarm bells off. You want to be careful here.

Homemaker86 · 28/11/2022 21:56

And how many other people has stayed in relationship for longer than they should have once they realised things were not the same?

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GonnaGetGoingReturns · 28/11/2022 21:57

This sounds completely and utterly nuts and yes at your age you’re panicking about your fertility.

A few years ago (actually I was 43 I think), I got in touch with a man from France whom I’d sort of known in London. We got into an online chat and appeared to get on well, too well. He’d moved back to France after living here for years. Luckily we had a mutual French friend who still lives in London. Turns out he’s an alcoholic who’s messed up most of his relationships, blames his mum for a lot of his issues (could be true) and also lies a lot. He future faked me and was planning on moving back to London (he couldn’t really as he was in trouble with his bank here and his family were bankrolling him in France. He was also married and divorced to a crazy Italian woman (I spoke to her on FB messenger and she did sound nuts!). Last I heard of him he’d met a Spanish girl he worked with and knew in Ibiza and was in a relationship with her. I wish I’d listened to my French friend in London who said to leave well alone as he is messed up. What I’m saying is in another country you have no idea what this man is up to day to day apart from when you message him (you’ve got a time difference there too).

I think if you both had really felt this deep convection before surely you wouldn’t have left it this long and even if not that, either of you could have visited the other’s country before now as friends and met up as friends.

This really does have disaster written all over it.

Homemaker86 · 28/11/2022 21:57

Where did I say he was my closest friend?

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RandomMusings7 · 28/11/2022 21:58

Homemaker86 · 28/11/2022 21:56

And how many other people has stayed in relationship for longer than they should have once they realised things were not the same?

Not many who were certain they wanted children and were on the wrong side of 40.

All I'm saying is he doesn't sound too determined to be a dad

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 28/11/2022 21:59

A lot of men do play games too and he could well be planning a fling and having sex with you as a “sperm donor” rather than being in a relationship with you.

DarkShade · 28/11/2022 22:00

I think there's lots of questions here, and you would need to be clear about what exactly you want from the relationship. A loving and passionate romantic relationship? A good co-parenting friendship? A sperm donor situation?

I think it could get difficult if one of you is way more invested in the relationship than the other. It makes sense from your perspective, you are watching the biology clock, but what about him - if he is such a great catch, why is he up for this, do you think that he is in love with you? So I would get crystal clear on all of these details. I also would not move there unless you were really sure it would work. It's really hard to move countries with a baby when you've started to build a support network. And if you don't move, there isn't any meaningful sense in which you are giving the baby a father. A father in australia or new zealand is no good to a child in terms of parental support, it certainly wouldn't be "parenting together" and could well end up with you doing all the grunt work while having to split important decisions with a man a world away.

I'm not saying don't do it - to me it does in principle make sense to have a baby with someone you know. Just avoid heartbreak for both of you and for potential baby by thinking the logistics through very carefully. It might ultimately be less messy to just use a traditional sperm donor, make your own family of you and baby, and see what happens with this frienship as a different part of your life altogether.

ZiggyAndChanelle · 28/11/2022 22:00

this is absolutely gobsmackingly insane

Mehmeh22 · 28/11/2022 22:01

Absolutely you shouldn't stay in a rubbish relationship longer than you realise. But we're talking about the relationship you're trying to create.

Your posts don't make sense so try to link them to the posts you're referring to

NortieTortie · 28/11/2022 22:01

If all goes well, it sounds very nice and romantic. If not, it could become an awful nightmare of you trapped in another country without your support circle or hope of coming home with your child.

I'd urge you to revisit the idea of a sperm donor or meeting a more local man. If you choose to go ahead, I wish you both (and any potential child/ren) the best of luck.

InTheNightWeWillWish · 28/11/2022 22:04

Ok, a huge red flag is that you have discussed being together apparently earlier but not acted on it. You say because he was in a relationship for 10 years but it’s a relationship in which he was mentioning that he could be with you. So you’ve either had a very long emotional affair or you’re his backup which would suggest you have always fancied him but he was in this relationship. He picked up on your feelings and kept you just interested enough that if his relationship ended you would still be available to him. I imagine every time you got somewhere with a guy you were seeing that he wouldn’t like them, he might get a bit withdrawn or maybe a bit sulky? It’s because he thought he was losing you, even though her didn’t want you enough to end his relationship.

He will still go ahead with being the donor if you aren’t able to have a relationship? There is generally a reason why people use strangers for donor conception it’s because they aren’t made to compromise with someone who they aren’t in a relationship with and could never be in a relationship with. You could get the ick with him when you meet in person but you’ve agreed to have a child with him. So you’re going to coparent with someone who gives you the ick and have to compromise what you want to meet them. If you used a stranger you are going it 100% alone but that also means you don’t need to compromise with someone you don’t like.

However, you like him more than you are willing to admit so you won’t see these red flags. So, as the relationship is inevitable, I would recommend not moving to Australia/NZ with him and getting him to move here and not just because of the legal implications that you won’t be able to bring your child back home if the relationship fails. If he’s supportive and gets it from raising his step kids, he’ll get why you want to stay near your support network. Although he won’t have done the early days with his step kids.

Having a baby can be really isolating. I live 4 hours from my family but in the same country. I’ve lived here for 10 years before I had my DD and 5 years in my specific village. I had local friends, I knew of walks, activities, coffee shops, I know how to drive around, i know how to get places, I know how the doctors work, I know the area and my life is here. I have a supportive DH and a village around me of people who I knew could drive me to the hospital if needed, who could take care of my dogs, who if I was struggling could come and watch DD for me. I also have a really great group of NCT mums locally. It was still the most isolating time of my life. I hated my job but I couldn’t wait to get back to work, to normal.

Now you’ve said your mum has the means to fly out regularly but that doesn’t mean she will. You have a sister and she has two kids here. So how long are you happy to not see your mum? At the very worse case scenario if your friend doesn’t allow you to leave the country with his child but your mum can’t make it over, how long are you prepared to not see her? For your child to not see her? When baby has first been born, how many weeks old do you want baby to be before they meet your mum? My mum lives 4 hours away and DD was still 4 weeks old before my mum met her. With international flights this could be longer. Are you happy with that? What if someone in your family gets sick? I’ve done the cross country dash when I’ve got the call, it’s the worst drive ever. How do you feel about your mum getting ill and you having to sit on a long-haul flight with a toddler who is picking up on your emotions and your stress? How would you feel if your mum was dying and your friend wouldn’t let you leave the country with your child to say goodbye to your mum.

Let’s imagine a very likely scenario of baby getting a bug and they’re not eating or drinking, which happens a lot. They have a temperature and they’re becoming dehydrated, they’ve not had a wet nappy for some time and you’re getting worried. It’s only 3pm your time, your partner is at work but it’s 2am UK time, you can’t ring your mum. Maybe you don’t get on with his mum, again it’s common, so you want a night out with your friend/partner but you’re not comfortable with MIL looking after baby. Who is going to watch the baby? Are you going to wait until your mum might be coming over to have a night out? I struggled to establish breastfeeding and needed support from my DH and when he went back to work, I needed that from my mum. If you have something similar to me are you happy to try breastfeeding in front of his mum. Constantly trying to get a baby to latch, crying in front of her and possibly opening yourself up to judgment. Then pumping in front of her? That’s what I had to do in front of my mum. I had to do it every 3 hours. I really get on with my MIL but I wouldn’t have wanted to be that vulnerable around anyone but my mum and DH. What if you need a c-section and need help after the birth? Do you want your mum for that?