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A new thread for those struggling with separation - Part 2: Onwards to a happier future

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Itisallgoingtobeok · 05/01/2024 18:43

This is a continuation of the thread that in which so many people have found comfort, advice, and solidarity. The original is here: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/divorce_separation/4837197-a-new-thread-for-those-struggling-with-separation?page=40&reply=131988731

Onwards to a happier future for all of us!

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Weatherwax13 · 08/01/2024 02:21

@24istheyear I'm in the process of deciding whether to divorce DH and I know I'm going to be absolutely distraught for a long time if I pull the pin.
However, when I divorced first exH years ago, I felt absolutely nothing for him by the time I left. Utter indifference.
Huge concerns around the DC and where we would go (run to) etc. But I had no emotion around walking out on him whatsoever.
This time it'll be all I can do to hold myself together but 27 years ago I felt just as you describe yourself now.

SoRainbowRhythms · 08/01/2024 09:00

Hi all. Glad I found this. I've had to move from relationships to this forum.

Together 8 years, married for 3. He left me on Thursday. Told me a month ago that he wasn't happy, not just with us but everything in his life. I helped him seek therapy and arranged couples counselling as I thought he was perhaps depressed. Spent 3 weeks clinging in, trying to be there for him. Christmas was miserable.

On Thursday he blahed at me for half an hour about how much he'd learnt in therapy, about his attachment style, his past relationships and his family. It ended with him saying he "needed to see if he could miss me" and that he "needed to find his authentic self" (I almost laughed) and that he wanted to separate. I told him to leave there and then.

I'm in a bad place and struggling. Come to my parents for a few days and we've had minimal contact. I went a bit off at him in a rage over WhatsApp and it's very clear he's not coming back, nor does he care how I feel. I've blocked and removed him on everything now and arranged a house valuation.

I'm just so lost and grieving the lovely man I married. I don't know where he is.

Itisallgoingtobeok · 09/01/2024 06:29

@SoRainbowRhythms I am so sorry you are in this situation, it is truly awful. It is very early days for you and it will hurt so much. I had a similar situation where my husband changed drastically, probably mental health issues but refused to see a doctor. He said that this is the new him. The new version was awful, aggressive and eventually he attacked me, so I had to leave. I am now a year in and it is still hard but I don't cry all the time now. I can see little bits of light here and there.

My only advice to help you through is to remember that this isn't your fault. You deserve better and to feel the pain, as difficult as that is. It does help heal. I buried mine for a while and made things a whole lot worse. Keep coming back to this thread to rant/cry/ask for help. This thread is a godsend.

Hugs to all.

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SoRainbowRhythms · 09/01/2024 19:51

Thanks @Itisallgoingtobeok

I'm headed back home tomorrow and slightly panicky. His stuff will be gone and I'll be in our home alone. Eagerly awaiting my anger.

Ginerous · 12/01/2024 12:13

@SoRainbowRhythms that is very tough. What I find so hard is these men who turn around out of the blue and announce they aren’t happy etc and don’t give the relationship any chance to improve, they just leave. Surely they’ve been having these thoughts for several months so why not try and address what is wrong. I hope you can get through the next few months ok.
i am fascinated and possibly cheered by the amount of posters I see on mumsnet who love their single lives filled hobbies, friends, etc and who have no desire for a partner. I would like to feel like that but I really miss the company of another adult, especially when my kids are with their dad. I should try to find a hobby but nothing really appeals to me. I go to the gym, sometimes meet friends, read, tidy the house etc but it’s not very fulfilling. I have found this week really hard, I’ve been crying a lot. I think it’s partly the misery of January and being broke/fed up of work and missing my ex.

SoRainbowRhythms · 12/01/2024 12:18

Ginerous · 12/01/2024 12:13

@SoRainbowRhythms that is very tough. What I find so hard is these men who turn around out of the blue and announce they aren’t happy etc and don’t give the relationship any chance to improve, they just leave. Surely they’ve been having these thoughts for several months so why not try and address what is wrong. I hope you can get through the next few months ok.
i am fascinated and possibly cheered by the amount of posters I see on mumsnet who love their single lives filled hobbies, friends, etc and who have no desire for a partner. I would like to feel like that but I really miss the company of another adult, especially when my kids are with their dad. I should try to find a hobby but nothing really appeals to me. I go to the gym, sometimes meet friends, read, tidy the house etc but it’s not very fulfilling. I have found this week really hard, I’ve been crying a lot. I think it’s partly the misery of January and being broke/fed up of work and missing my ex.

I feel that. I'm battling through right now because everyone has rallied around me, but people have their own lives and I know that can't last forever.

Apparently he had these thoughts for some time but didn't want to tell me because it would upset me 🙄so instead he let it boil up then ran away. I would rather he had just said outright that the didn't want this / didn't love me any more and wanted out. It would be no more painful that what he's already put me through and I could make a plan to get on with my life. I've not heard from him in a week and I'm in this most awful limbo.

Ginerous · 12/01/2024 12:44

@SoRainbowRhythms mine did similar but not only did he not tell me how he was feeling or break up with me in a normal way, he started an affair then told me about it one night when he was drunk. So hurtful.

unhappy50 · 12/01/2024 13:03

So glad I found this going through this at mo ... it is my babies I feel guilt for

SoRainbowRhythms · 12/01/2024 13:08

Ginerous · 12/01/2024 12:44

@SoRainbowRhythms mine did similar but not only did he not tell me how he was feeling or break up with me in a normal way, he started an affair then told me about it one night when he was drunk. So hurtful.

I'm sure that will be his next revelation.

Ginerous · 12/01/2024 13:54

@unhappy50 there’s lots you can do to help your kids manage a split. It’s very hard at the time but hopefully as it becomes normal they will adapt, with your support. I got divorced when mine were very young and they have a good relationship with their dad. They see him most days and so far (9 years) none of them have really shown any signs of being badly affected by the divorce. Of course it may be something that shows up later in their lives but at the moment they are happy, lots of friends and hobbies, get on well at school etc. You do need to look after yourself though so that you can support them. I hope you have people around you to help. Good luck with it all.

Iamnotapotato · 12/01/2024 22:22

What I find so hard is these men who turn around out of the blue and announce they aren’t happy etc and don’t give the relationship any chance to improve, they just leave. Surely they’ve been having these thoughts for several months so why not try and address what is wrong.

This resonated so much with me @Ginerous and similar to @SoRainbowRhythms he didn’t raise it because of how he thought I’d react. And so I didn’t get a chance to change things as I didn’t know there were any issues.

I still find it unbelievable that it’s come to this (divorce) and wonder what happened to the man I married.

Sadgirl101 · 13/01/2024 19:57

Another to join the club, sadly!

We've been together 11 years, married 7, 2 DC 5 and nearly 2. We've been very firmly in the roommate stage mostly since dc2 was born, but I kind of assumed that things would improve as time goes on and we get more of our lives back. He's mentioned that he wasn't happy but he's never communicated the severity of the feelings until just before Christmas when he announced he doesn't love me and wants a divorce. I'm 4 months into a 3 year course for a career change, so my only income is student finance, and we live in tied accomodation to his job so no assets to sell. Fortunately his employer have confirmed I can stay living here if he's on board with that which he is, things are pretty amicable so I'm in the spare room. Far from ideal emotionally but the only real option financially and practically if I want to complete my degree. Im another who feels robbed of the chance to try and fix things.

I'm really struggling the last few days. I managed the first month on adrenaline trying to sort out the practicalities and now that's done the emotion is coming out. Not helped by the fact I accidentally saw a message on his watch from a woman 14 years younger than him. It's nothing serious and I doubt it will be but despite him saying things are hard for him too it's quite clearly not the same. He keeps encouraging me to look at dating sites as he thinks it'll be a good confidence boost but I suspect he's thinking that if I do it first it paves the way for him. I saw a solicitor on Thursday to sort things financially so I'm protected as best I can be. Thursday and Yesterday I spent most of the day in tears, like physical pain in my chest levels of upset, I didn't know that was actually possible. Today I just feel more numb, but I'm noticing slightly concerning thought processes so with a previous MH history I need to be mindful of that I guess. I've got counselling sessions arranged for Tuesday through my part time job but it's solutions based apparently so I'm not sure how useful I'll find that, as I don't know what the solutions can be... Make him fall back in love with me? Stop him seeing other people?!

Rachel3108 · 14/01/2024 01:06

Hi all. I'm new to MumsNet and I'm seeking advice/support following a seperation last August. I'm 36, have four children and we were married for almost 7 years, together for 9.

My husband left me on August 12th 2023, very much out of the blue and I'm really struggling. He told me he is not in love with me anymore and has been unhappy for around 12 months. In the immediate months following our separation he was an absolute nightmare. For every question I asked, I got "I don't know" as the answer. The only thing he knew for certain is that he is unhappy and he has no feelings toward me whatsoever. He blames me going to university for the breakdown of our marriage... He feels like I prioritised my degree (I'm in my final year of a midwifery degree), spent too much time away from him and the kids and didn't listen to or respect him. I tried desperately to make him see that our marriage was worth saving, but he had no desire whatsoever to reconcile and communication between us was limited. He was very cold, very distant and at times, down right horrible.

After a few months, our communication picked up and he seemed to be more friendly toward me. He would say things like, "I wish I had the desire to work on us" and "I miss our family and our home. I wish I had a time machine so we could change and prevent the things that went wrong". He also gave me hope by saying things like, "You never know what the future holds and we might get back together" and "If we were to start over, it wouldn't be for a while and we would have to go slow". It was torture. It felt like he was slowly killing me. Of course, like an idiot, I said I'd wait for him and that I would always be here whenever he was ready.

It was around this time he got in to a relationship. I was absolutely crushed. To add insult to injury, his new GF was an ex of his who is a midwife at the hospital where I had received a job offer (I was due to start this job in a few months, but I decided in October last year to take 5 months out of my degree as I'm not coping well). He made it clear that he had no intention of actually being with this woman, she was merely a 'test' to see if he was ready to date. He told me he thought she was "good for him" as she too was in the middle of a divorce, but he wasn't in a rush to be serious. That same night he came to our marital home (which I will remain in following our separation) to tell me about his new relationship, we slept together. This was 100% initiated by him. We had slept together two times previous to this.
A few weeks went by and I was made aware of a post his new GF had put on FB which detailed their time together at a log cabin. I was utterly heartbroken to see a picture of them together, smiling and seeming so happy and in love. Something inside me snapped and I told his new GF what had happened between us. We ended up having a great conversation, which revealed a lot about the time they had spent together. He had told her that he loves her, had met her children and they had planned to live together. They had also booked a holiday for this year. It was as serious as serious could get. When she approached him about my confession, he lied and said that we had only slept together the once whilst they were dating. This of course isn't true and when I told her of the times previous, she thankfully believed me and broke it off with him.

I then stupidly fell for his BS around Christmas time when he got upset that we weren't celebrating as a family and that he missed the family unit. We decided to be a situationship (please don't judge me as I judge myself enough) as the sex was amazing (it always has been) and we were enjoying each others company. The situationship lasted 2 days. I realised how stupid I was being and that I didn't want to be so available to him all the time. We have maintained a friendly relationship since and though I still wish we were able to fix things, I'm happy that we are able to communicate better and be civil around our children. I wrote him a very long and very heartbreaking letter the other night, which detailed exactly how I feel. I expressed my love for him and my hope that one day, this will all turn around and we will be able to love each other more than we ever did in the past. I also made it clear that despite this desire, I also think its important that we proceed with the divorce as we both need time to heal, grieve and work on ourselves as individuals.

The past 5 months have truly been a rollercoaster of emotions. I love that man more than I could express with words and I'm utterly devastated our marriage fell apart. I'm also deeply hurt by the way he has treated me since our separation and I'm angry at myself for allowing him to use me for sex. I feel stupid for being so needy, desperate and available to him. It hurts to think that the man I planned on spending the rest of my life with, is no longer someone I recognise. Though we aren't strangers, it feels as though I don't know him any more. He has lied to me, caused great distress to me and treat me with such utter disrespect. I am very slowly coming to terms with the fact that our marriage is over and I'm doing my best to heal from the hurt and pain he has put me through. Thankfully, he is still an amazing Dad and has our children more than 50% of the time as I now need to work more with me being a single parent income.

I know that the grief experienced following the loss of a marriage is not linear and I cherish the good days that come between the bad days when my soul is crushed and I cannot stop crying. MumsNet has been a source of great comfort in my times of need and though I wish none of us were experiencing such life changing pain, I'm grateful to be amongst others who know exactly how I feel.

Lookingforunicorns · 14/01/2024 01:11

@Rachel3108 Read the chump lady blog and book if you haven't already.
I bet he feels like a dog with two di*ks.
Don't let him breadcrumb you any more.
'Unified Theory of Cake' (from the above book)

Rachel3108 · 14/01/2024 01:23

I will look in to that now! Thanks for the advice. I’d heard about breadcrumbs… what an awful thing to do to someone who loves you & is clearly struggling, just for your own benefit.

I’m sure my ex-husband is having a midlife crisis. Can anyone have a midlife crisis at 37? Or perhaps, it’s the 7 year itch? Either way, I’m over him treating me like crap.

Itisallgoingtobeok · 14/01/2024 15:09

This week has been awful. The divorce has started and despite the fact that he was abusive and I had no choice but to leave, I feel so guilty. The man I married, that wonderful man was taken away by poor mental health, and replaced by a monster after many happy years together. I can't stop sobbing. I thought I was coping, but I clearly am not. I started to cry in the supermarket and a lovely lady who worked there came over and gave me a hug. My friends are wonderful, but I feel so awful. I can't see a future. Just work, home, work, home... no light, no joy, no love. I know it will get better, but it feels utterly insurmountable at the moment.

Thank you for letting me vent, hugs to all.

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needtocomeoutofdenial · 14/01/2024 20:00

@Rachel3108 please don’t judge yourself. The breakdown of a relationship, marriage, is beyond difficult. My partner left me at the end of July. Nothing has happened between us since. But I suggested sex once, as he was leaving, and then berated myself afterwards as I knew for me it would make things more difficult. It sounds as if you now know what you want (and deserve) and are ready and able to set the bar there - either full relationship or nothing. No FWB, casual sex, situationship. It sounds as if he has not been thinking of you at all throughout all of this, but has been focussed on himself solely and what suits him. It is so hard, but you can wipe the slate clean and start as you mean to go on now. I decided that in 2024 I was going to try and stop seeking physical affection from my ex. We have a 2.5 year old, and co-parent closely so communicate daily and see each other every few days. I used to want to give him a hug hello/goodbye, I guess to see if that closeness was still there (we were tog 7.5 years). But I realised that it wasn’t doing me any good, and I didn’t want little drips of affection that essentially I had begged for. As I said on the previous thread. I believe the only way out of this is through it. So try and take comfort from the fact that with each tear and pane of pain you are one step closer to feeling happy again ❤️

needtocomeoutofdenial · 14/01/2024 20:06

Oh @Itisallgoingtobeok I am so sorry you are having such a horrible week. We know all this comes in waves and sometimes the triggers can surprise us. I can only imagine that the start of the divorce feels very final, and it is making you relive the pain of your marriage being over and mourning of the life that was meant to be. I know what it feels to be work/home/work/home (repeat forever) and how dark it can seem. I don’t think the time of year helps either does it, so cold and bitter. I have to believe that like the seasons, our spring will come again. I don’t know if it is possible for you to take any leave, or whether you could book a weekend away or similar, to give you a small chink of joy? Or think of something you do enjoy that you could do? I don’t know if you are speaking to a therapist / counsellor but I have found that helpful too. Sending all my love xx

unhappy50 · 14/01/2024 20:37

seeitthroughmyeyes · 05/01/2024 23:47

Been separated only 5 days, even though it was my choice, I feel utterly guilt ridden and struggling to come to terms with it. My ex DP was a gem and didn't do anything wrong, just didn't feel right anymore. Complicates it more we are still living together as I am trying to buy him out.

Feel like I'm going to lose everyone and everything. Although I'm usually strong minded, this has caused me to take a turn for the worst.

Me too my decision

unhappy50 · 14/01/2024 20:43

I know it sounds selfish but so glad so many going through this as we are not alone .. my ex moving out next week after 14 years and I am petrified , anxiety can't sleep etc ... and I don't know what to say to my boys ages 9 amd 5 breakups are hard but double hard with kids ... z

Itisallgoingtobeok · 15/01/2024 06:37

needtocomeoutofdenial · 14/01/2024 20:06

Oh @Itisallgoingtobeok I am so sorry you are having such a horrible week. We know all this comes in waves and sometimes the triggers can surprise us. I can only imagine that the start of the divorce feels very final, and it is making you relive the pain of your marriage being over and mourning of the life that was meant to be. I know what it feels to be work/home/work/home (repeat forever) and how dark it can seem. I don’t think the time of year helps either does it, so cold and bitter. I have to believe that like the seasons, our spring will come again. I don’t know if it is possible for you to take any leave, or whether you could book a weekend away or similar, to give you a small chink of joy? Or think of something you do enjoy that you could do? I don’t know if you are speaking to a therapist / counsellor but I have found that helpful too. Sending all my love xx

Thank you for your kind words. I needed some clarity, and you have given it to me. I hope I can hang onto it now. You are right about the time of year too. I am starting to wonder if I am heading down the road of depression as I have a hobby that I used to be passionate about, but I just can't get any enthusiasm for it at all now. I don't care if I never do it again. I stay in the house as much as I can, as there seems little point in going out. I am making an effort to eat properly and exercise, but I do it because I should rather than because I want to do a good thing for myself if that makes sense. Perhaps it is time to see a doctor and get some advice. I have had therapy in the past, so perhaps time for that again, although money is tight.
Time to put a brave face on and go to work.
Hugs to all.

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needtocomeoutofdenial · 15/01/2024 07:09

@Itisallgoingtobeok I suffer with recurrent depression and I have found that for me, noticing the early signs I am heading into the pit of eternal despair can help me try and take steps to make sure I stay hovering around the edges and don’t fall in. It sounds like you have the self awareness to realise you’re not yourself, so I would definitely go and speak with a doctor. I am not sure where you are based, but sometimes they can refer you (or you can self refer) for certain therapy on the NHS, although the waiting lists are long. But better to be on them than not. It is so hard when there is not motivation or will to do anything and the days are like wading through treacle, or quicksand. A therapist I saw once said that people think you have to wait to be motivated to do certain things. When actually, it’s the other way round, if you start a task/activity/errand, then the motivation comes. I am not sure what your hobby is, but perhaps you could at least look at it this week. Or tidy the things needed for it. Or plan a session/slot to do it. Small steps but at least on the road to feeling more you again. ❤️

Hope work is ok today. I am on the train into London and it is bloomin’ freezing!

SoRainbowRhythms · 15/01/2024 17:40

How are you doing @Itisallgoingtobeok ? X

Iamnotapotato · 15/01/2024 18:04

How do you deal with your former spouse moving on when you’re not ready to?

I know my stbxh had checked out a good chunk of time before he actually left but it still feels so rubbish to have been replaced after what feels like such a short amount of time in comparison to the time we were together. I have no confirmation that he has another woman but he is now unavailable to drop the kids off at school on certain days of the week. Days when I know he and the other woman were both working late the night before. He says that she had nothing to do with our marriage ending but she had previously bought him an expensive gift (just because she’s a really nice person apparently🙄) and she coincidentally left her husband at around the same time my husband left me.

I don’t want to be a bitter person and I know I need to let it go but by god I hope karma bites them in the arse.

Itisallgoingtobeok · 15/01/2024 18:22

@needtocomeoutofdenial - Thank you for your post, it really helped. I appreciate you sharing your experience, depression is terrible. Your comment about waiting for motivation really hit home. My hobby is easy to do, so I have made a plan to do just a little bit at the weekend. I was on a train to London too. I like the idea that perhaps we were sat a couple of seats away from each other!

@SoRainbowRhythms I got through work ok, but it was hard. I still feel very low. I am so tired now I hope I will sleep tonight.

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