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Divorce/separation

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Support thread for those divorcing against their stbex wishes

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Onlymeeeeee · 18/02/2018 19:13

Just as the title really, specifically looking for other people who initiated the process, not because there is anyone else, but because they cannot stay with the stbex.

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mammynowanauntyIRL · 01/10/2018 08:06

Also got to collect au pair after DC's bedtime tonight & usually I'd put dc to bed & go but tonight they'll need to come with me.

RoseMartha · 01/10/2018 11:49

@mammynowanauntyIRL sending a hug hope it goes ok.
@Tiddleypops You have made some steps forward.

@CannotFindAUsernme Yes i am having similar issue with contact.

Things are now moving with divorce a bit and i am worrying abt solicitors cost and the fact he is pushing for more contact than i am happy to agree to 😕

CannotFindAUsernme · 01/10/2018 16:28

I have agreed to 1 night at the weekend, alternate friday and saturday nights for now. I am also going to do mediation, waiting on 1st joint appt. I know him. What he wants is 50/50 overnight. Simple as he aint getting it. I would be afraid to leave the kids in his care for 4 days at a time, they would not be looked after and I know it. So will see what happens. The upheaval of that kind of life cannot be healthy, never actually having a home, a proper residence. Anyway we will see what happens.
@mammy it is strange, all of a sudden there really is only you. No nipping out to do things and being able to leave them at home. That I can honestly say is the one thing I have missed The X for.
@rose you know not to agree to anything that makes you uncomfortable. If it doesnt feel right in your gut then dont do it ! I will just not be able to afford a divorce unless legal aid can take me on. The wait is 8/9 months tho so I could get through a few more anniversaries yet !!

mammynowanauntyIRL · 01/10/2018 21:56

@CannotFindAUsernme he actually offered to either collect au pair or collect dc from activities & put them to bed 
Apparently he's going to do their homework and feed them dinner every day now and take them every second weekend for a night or two.

I'll believe all this when I see it & if he does it only benefits my children and who am I to argue with that.

@CannotFindAUsernme is it to avoid maintenance that he wants 50:50?

@RoseMartha it went ok except that he gave the children the false hope that it might be a temporary arrangement, he thought it was too much all in one go, I think that false hope is wrong. I played along for now as I want to see solicitors letter before I do anymore

mammynowanauntyIRL · 01/10/2018 22:02

Bold fail BlushBlush

CannotFindAUsernme · 01/10/2018 23:42

From the reports my kids have brought back so far I am not sure of his motives. He has mentioned that maintenance would be less if he had them more. He isnt even paying maintenance yet but still he is always fighting with me about it. The kids dont get annoyed or upset. As long aa he wants to see them at weekends he can but he isnt fit to look after them any more than that. My youngest wants to go for longer because he can play the x box all day. This seems to be his only method of holding the kids there, constant gaming, tv, movies and late nights. Of course then I am big bad mummy with my boundaries and my cut of points for gaming ! I dont feel my kids are reaping any benefits by seeing him, he has offered no practical or financial help. He doesn't help out with any of their actual care. Kimd of wish he would just move on, is that bad ?

mammynowanauntyIRL · 02/10/2018 05:59

He's playing good cop bad cop so with them & only hurting them in the long run.
Why is he arguing about something that's not even happening?

Tiddleypops · 02/10/2018 06:22

@mammy - glad it went ok, but I agree, wrong of him to give them an impression of it being temporary. I can't remember how old your DCs are, but little children remember things completely as they understand them so wrong to make them misunderstand from the off. I don't think he's doing himself any favours there, but at least you can remain consistent. You have handled all this so brilliantly.Flowers

@CannotFindAUsernme hmm, sounds like his motives are completely financial to me Angry

@RoseMartha hugs to you. Glad things are moving along a bit, but the extra worries don't make it easy do they? Sad I hope he doesn't get the extra contact.

Ladies, as someone who came from a family with divorced parents, I can honestly say that the kids figure out the shitty parent in the end. I look back now and realise how amazing my dad was to always maintain composure, to stick to his boundaries consistently and to never slag off my mum (well, not while I was a kid anyway, as soon as I started moaning about her during my teens and beyond, he did a fair amount of 'reflecting' on the similarities between how she had dealt with him Grin ). My mum was all over the places, she definitely played games - although I didn't see it at the time, I found myself very confused by her inconsistency and randomness and it only served to make me feel like retreating back home to my dad because everything was just normal and comfortable there.

Difficult to do, (I must ask my dad for tips!) but remaining consistent with boundaries etc is the best we can do for our kids Flowers

Tiddleypops · 02/10/2018 06:40

For years I tried to get us going on decorating our front room. H was literally all or nothing with it. As far as he was concerned decorating is women's work. This seems to include paying for all the jobs that can't be done yourself. He also wanted the whole room renovating and nothing other than a wood burner would be acceptable as a replacement for the gas fire we currently have. But as if I could trust an alcoholic left alone with with a wood burner every night!?

All I wanted to do was decorate, get new carpets, furniture and curtains etc. Just enough to make it a nice environment, without costing the earth for now. We went around in circles with in for so long that I gave up.

I am sat here now on my tumble-down, half broken sofa and dreaming of finally getting rid of the bloody uncomfortable unsightly ancient thing Sad. There's probably a metaphor in there somewhere!! Grin

CannotFindAUsernme · 02/10/2018 11:00

@mammy i agree also. So wromg to promise things and not to follow through. Mine has promised the kids loads of stuff, new this, new that and so far nothing, but sure if daddy said it, it will happen..... He is arguing about maintenance so as to put of paying it for longer, thats my take on it. The bickering over the little things is a killer and every conversation turns the same way
@tiddley excuses for not decorating ?? Similar here, we had a leather sofa, given to us by my mum and i hated it. We went round the decorating circles for years, always excuses, the house was a dump. All came down to he didnt want to spend the money. When I moved and got my lovely new sofa and wing chairs I was delighted ! Even now I find myself standing at the living room door admiring them ! Out with the old and in with the new, you definitely have a metaphor in there !!
I live in hope that what you say is true. The difference in the parenting they are receiving is like polar opposites. I am bad cop, routines, bed times, boundaries. Daddys house is like a free for all. I have tried to tell him that he is meant to be their parent not their friend but no heed taken, I suppose if it makes you popular......

Tiddleypops · 02/10/2018 11:17

Yep, same. I can't wait to make my house nice. It just brings me down at the moment.

Thing is, letting them do what they want might get him in their favour to start with but he'll lose patience when they take that for granted and want something he's not willing to allow because it's his, or costs money or whatever, but his authority won't be worth anything by then. He won't be able to be consistent.
His deviousness will come out, he'll needle the kids with questions about things and they'll feel uncomfortable. I've been there, it will happen. People who play games end up losing in the long run. Hang in there Flowers

CannotFindAUsernme · 02/10/2018 11:38

Thank you. Sometimes the guilt is overwhelming, and for the last month there has it seems been a new drama every day. It seems magnified when you are on your own, but I have to keep telling myself I have always done it alone. A different house without him in it does not make any difference to that. I am afraid of mollycoddling them because of my guilt but I feel we are coping pretty well and the kids have been great. I know already the things they miss dont really include him, and I know in time they will notice there is really no relationship with him, he just needs to win. It has driven him crazy the lack of control he has over the situation so withholding maintenance and turning their heads to all he can do. I only hope the kids dont suffer in the long run while he selfishly seeks out his own interests...

mammynowanauntyIRL · 07/10/2018 09:04

How's everyone doing?

CannotFindAUsernme · 07/10/2018 09:26

Morning @mammy how are you ?
I am going back to work tomorrow and dreading it, I have been of with stress. Having good days and bad days, I suppose that's just the pattern. X has taken to ignoring everything i ask him which only serves to make me think less of him, which I didnt think possible ! So very immature...

mammynowanauntyIRL · 07/10/2018 09:50

I'm ok @CannotFindAUsernme
This was first week since H moved out he continues to be a jackass. Said he'd pick up dc at 4.30 yesterday so we rushed out from town to be home, he arrived at 7pm Angry
I can see already dd trying to please him, I offered dinner or they could wait until his, she said I am hungry could I just eat something small here though & wait for dinner there. At least she doesn't feel she has to do something like eat dinner at both to keep me happy also Hmm

I'm trying to get him to commit to a set pattern so everyone knows where they stand going forward.

mammynowanauntyIRL · 07/10/2018 09:52

He's just after replying what happened to unlimited access which was agreed at court last week. What I agreed to was that I wouldn't stop him seeing them.

CannotFindAUsernme · 07/10/2018 11:46

Their overwhelming need to please themselves comes above all else. My X has went against everything I have asked him to do, he has no respect and in his need for control continues to treat me just as he did before I left. All you can do is be strong ! I dont allow him to collect from my house. I weakened and did it once and he really overstepped the mark, coming to the door when i had asked him to wait in the car, looking through all the windows, refusing to leave the doorstep and making a maasive show outside the front door which he wouldn't do if they just got into the car, then he laughed at me, told me I was being stupid and there it was. Him thinking he had control again, that he could come to my front door and act as he pleased. I was furious but felt violated. So we now do drop offs in car parks. The first week he was 20mins late. I told him there and then if he was more than 5 mins late again that I would go back home and he would lose any access. He has not been late again (although we are only talking 3 weeks here !).
What age is dd ? I have an 9yr old df who is also a crowd pleaser. I only hope as time goes on this does not have a negative effect on her, she just wants everyone to be happy !
I dont know where you live, am presuming ROI ? I am in NI, I have set the access terms and for now thats that. Over my dead body will my kids be spending half their week with him. At the moment they are well adjusted and coping, they are in a good routine, they are happy. Why upset that to service the selfish feelings of someone who sees them more as possessions to gain control over than children. Makes my blood boil !

CannotFindAUsernme · 07/10/2018 11:49

Can I ask why are you in court already ? There are so many different ways of doing this.

mammynowanauntyIRL · 07/10/2018 13:32

I had to get a safety order as he was physically violent & did this in front of dc.
Yes I'm ROI.
The family home is mortgaged, I told him I wanted to separate in March, waited until July/August for mediation to sort this amicably, he fucked that up, and eventually I'd to go to solicitor as he would have been perfectly fine with both of us in family home forever more, living a half life.

He's moved into granny flat of house next door & believes his access is unlimited

mammynowanauntyIRL · 07/10/2018 13:32

Dd is 8

RoseMartha · 07/10/2018 22:00

Sounds tough, 🤗 to all.

Sorry havent been here this week too many emotions, because things have progressed a bit I am getting all the grief emotions of a lost relationship that I had way back in the Spring, which is silly really as I thought I had worked past that bit.
Still got to sort out contact, still got to sort out living arrangements. Nisi not through yet either. We are still in same house, he has the bed. I have the floor, (over 7 months on the floor and I feel like I will never sleep in a bed again as the light at end of the tunnel is a pin prick.
He was totally unreasonable tonight, hasnt spoken to me since he swore aggressively at me in a rage. I have kept out his way however. Feel bit isolated in general .

LouiseEmily30 · 07/10/2018 23:26

Im joining you here.

Recently told him it was over. Various things over the years leading to me feeling pretty worthless.

Anyway i told him i wanted it to be amicable for DS sake.

He seems to not be accepting it. He thinks we will carry on living in the same house and even keeps asking me for sex. Apparently im a bad person for saying no to sex as its what he needs me to do to help him through this

RoseMartha · 07/10/2018 23:43

@LouiseEmily30 🤗hi sorry to hear things are difficult you have come to the right place. Chat anytime 🤗
Have you moved out the bed is there another room you could sleep in?

LouiseEmily30 · 08/10/2018 00:57

Hi Rose Martha.
No we don't have a spare room. Im on the couch right now. Not great but better.
I know he is in a bad place and i feel bad for putting him there. I tried to explain that things like sex would make it worse in the long run but i guess he has yet to accept its over

RoseMartha · 08/10/2018 09:37

Do what is right for you, dont agree to things that make you uncomfortable or do not feel right 🤗