The traitors

[Magnalux]

i love the English version. The first episode is always a bit manic so will reserve judgement. It’s interesting though the names of two traitors have already been brought up!

Ah poor Joanna., that was a hard watch.. i think the boys might do it here and go all the way, Faye believes anything they say 🙄. So as long as they keep her and Vanessa on side they’re in with a shot!

I hope the boys don’t won’t though., nick is so bloody smug !

I felt really sorry for Joanna. Kelly shocked me turning on her at the last minute. They were attacking her character 😢

I felt so bad for Joanna there, it was brutal.
She was right to call them mean girls, they definitely were - and I don't think she lied at all, I think it was all a case of misunderstanding.

Oh and their reasons for why they were trustworthy were RIDICULOUS! I have lots of siblings and I get on all of them....
What???

Yes I agree, but the whole im so trustworthy thing is ridiculous anyway as the traitors are chosen by other people and don’t nominate themselves, Unless it’s the earlier episode where they can reject it, If there was a nun in there they could still be a traitor it’s absolutely irrelevant how trustworthy they are in real life!!

It was so hard on Joanna she was on her own in there and they all turned on her from nothing. I have no clue what she was meant to have lied about it was so vague and unclear. I think Oyin is getting sucked into the dramatics and losing her edge. Kelley is pretty pathetic to be honest so weak and easily influenced and Faye just takes everything so personally. Have to say I think the traitors deserve it unless the other players stop with with the drama and start using their heads. I do think at this stage of the game though it gets hard they know people have been recruited so who they trusted before they can't be sure they haven't been recruited so everyone gets slightly paranoid and watching any change in behaviour at all.

Poor Joanna. That got a bit personal. Hard not to think some cultural factors at play here (Dutch straightforwardness and directness don’t always play out well in more indirect cultures), but you’d think that two other women with immigrant backgrounds (I mean, I assume Oyin and Vanessa grew up in Ireland but have parents or grandparents from elsewhere?) would grasp that this doesn’t make someone untrustworthy .

Everything about Joanna’s expression, body language, eye contact etc at the round table indicated transparent truthfulness.

I actually thought Joanna, Oyin and Vanessa might vote as a bloc and get rid of Faye who takes everything deeply personally, and Kelley, who is so wet she’s floating.

I will be annoyed if the guys win just because Oyin appears to have suddenly lost her earlier acuteness, Kelley flip flopped, and Faye hasn’t a functioning brain cell . It won’t be because they’ve played well. Nick got lucky in terms of when he was recruited, and had free rein to recruit his major fanboy.

The only interesting thing will be whether Nick turns on Ben.

I liked the shield-and-dagger conundrum, but yes, the ‘Why I’m trustworthy’ thing is deeply silly. And someone should have said ‘Nick, you’re an estate agent — by definition you’re a habitual liar’. Though I imagine he’s lied about his job.

Oyin let herself down last night - Joanna was correct...they had talked about Faye to each other at the table. I think she genuinely forgot?

And it's not nice when it becomes a character assassination as opposed to a game.

Poor form from Kelley voting for Joanna. She was genuinely sorry afterwards - I do hope they get support afterwards. I'd hate to think of anyone feeling bad about themselves after the show is over - the public can be pretty nasty.

They seem to have completely forgotten that Paudie wrote Nick on his board on his last night and said a comment to the girls when he was leaving... something like 'girls look around you'.. the hints are there.

I'm not keen on the lads but they were right to say it is theirs to lose....the girls are likely to continue fighting with each other to the end, ignoring the boys. I think the final three will be Nick, Ben and Faye. Faye is completely off about her theories...also there does seem to be some cultural differences in there that contribute to the cliques, etc.

I think certainly the UK (though on a much bigger budget) had an individual person on set for each contestant, to keep an eye on them, get them anything they needed, including taking them off to an on-set counsellor of some kind if required.

Mind you, hard not to think the Irish contestants being brought to see Siobhán McS in her Sister Michael mode saying ‘If you’re worried or upset about anything, or even if you just want a chat, please, please don’t come crying to me.’😀

Oyin has been very astute but last night she lied outright and I reckon she's the next one to be murdered.

At this stage I'd like to see Wilkin win, maybe he's been playing the best game of all by keeping under the radar.

I think Joanna was a bit silly, maybe her emotions just got the best of her but I thought her 'mean girls' comment was a bit pathetic. It's a game where people are lying, it's hardly a personal insult when someone accuses you of lying in that environment. Especially when traitors are chosen not voluntary. The idea that the boys should win because they wouldn't be so mean is so sexist it annoys me. Did she not see the constant attacks on Patrick, the way Eamon spoke to Paudie etc. The difference is those men kept their heads up high and took the accusations and didn't go calling each other mean boys or bullies. I liked her up to that point but lost all respect in that moment.

Oh, I agree. Nick and Ben stayed schtum, not because they’re nice people or men, but because they didn’t have to weigh in and it suited them not to.

Eamon was considerably more unpleasant than anyone else so far, with Nick not too far behind in the hectoring stakes.

I just wish Oyin hadn’t lost her mind.

Yes, Oyin is succumbing to the stress. I still think she is amazingly insightful. To be fair, I would not in a million years remember every conversation to multiple people. Especially when it's all 'she said you said that to him before she said that to you..' Sometimes I genuinely can't even follow as a viewer.

Is Nick really an estate agent? He acts like this is all a precursor to his own TV show, he is just loving the cameras. He'll be hosting a new property show by this time next year. To be fair I'd say he'd be good at it too.

That was a brutal round table, but they all are at this late stage.
Oyin really did fight for her life there.

Poor Vanessa growing up in DP. And then losing her scholarship. I suddenly want her to win the money, life owes her a bit of luck....

I think the two boys will be ousted tomorrow and the three ladies left will split the money, glad to see the back of Faye. Vanessa was right with her buzzword comments and to trust two people you’ve only known a wet week completely in a game where you know 2 out of 6 are traitors was madness on Faye’s part.

I’d assumed Nick and Ben had decided to banish Faye in a conversation we didn’t see, but it seems as if they both decided to vote for her spontaneously at the round table, without discussing it?

It seemed very obvious to me that they were conspicuously silent, actually declining to speak when invited — doesn’t that suggest anything suspicious to any of the women who are fighting for their lives? Ben in particular looked like a cartoon of guilt at the round table. Both their body language screamed GUILT.

Though I can’t regret Faye. She was tremendously pretty, but her habit of taking everything violently personally (not tonight, when it’s understandable, but right back at the start whenever someone first said they suspected her) wore thin.

I’d like to think so! If we can’t have a female winner, then I’d like dopey Ben to knife Nick in the back. Nick is so sure of his fidelity…

I just want Nick to be caught. He's so sure he's controlled his way to winning, and i agree he's so sure of Ben's fidelity he thinks he's got the prize money all to himself already

Nick pretty much told Ben when they were in the conclave that he's turning on him with that (paraphrased) "Both of us can"t win now, so it'll have to be me one of us.'

Was Wilkin on the aftershow ? I only watched a bit (just to see Faye's reaction to discovering the two men she was so dazzled by were the traitors) and he wasn't on it at the start.

I can't see the men winning now that Faye has gone so I was surprised they voted for her. The other three all are pretty sure one of the men is a traitor but not sure which so I can't see them ending it with either of the men there. In saying that if they are left with one faithful I guess they vote her out which would then mean they would have to share the money. I am hoping Oyin, Kelley and Vanessa work together to get a man out, they have the numbers over the men.
Glad Faye is gone Vanessa was spot on about her, taking everything personally and claiming she is being attacked or how dare they accuse her panic attack at being buried alive as suspicious, come on if you are that delicate you shouldn't be there.

Wilkin was on the after show - he was as laid back and good humoured as ever - even when they were taking the p out of him about being a bit of a space cadet - apparently he had never watched the traitors before so was figuring the game it as he went along! They asked then who they thought was best at playing the game and he said Eamonn 🤣

I hope Vanessa doesn't win, there's a nasty enough vibe off her and from the beginning too.

I hope she does win... she's had a tough life and could do with a lucky break. She lived in Direct Provision for eight years, she got a sports scholarship to America which she had to give up because of an injury.

When they were having the meal after banishing Faye it turned into competitive sob stories which is the norm in most reality shows.