Gender Critical in Ireland Part 3

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I’m watching RTE news. They mentioned the Garda representatives organisation are concerned about Gender Identity in the workplace. It’s been brought in without consultation & without training.

the Garda Commissioner has said that Garda may be disciplined for misgendering.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

For anyone interested in encouraging (or even accurately tracking) female participation in politics you might like to get in touch with https://www.womenforelection.ie/ They're reporting Saoirse Mackin as a woman candidate. He isn't. (Cork City NW)

Oh FFS 😩
I suppose if you change the meaning of the word woman, he is one.
Stop the world I want to get off...

Haven't seen half as much Pride stuff around the place this year.

I was thinking this too, but wondering if it was wishful thinking! What a difference 12 months makes, this time last year I was absolutely clueless, my world has been shaken to the core now my eyes have been opened....

@Fubbs you and a lot more I'd say.
The more you learn about the ideology - not the people - the more pernicious you find it

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/craicnet/5096192-belong-2-linking-up-with-scouting-ireland-i-feel-this-is-extremely-inappropriate?page=2&reply=136001925

Linking this thread here as it would be of interest. Scouts Ireland have joined up with Belong To for a rainbow award & scouts will be marching with Belong To in Dublin pride

Could you go onto the thread and support the OP? She has been decried as a bigot by all the contributors so far. Thank you.

Thanks for pointing us in that direction, Annasgirl.

I've been making the point over on that thread that Belong To states that transgender is NOT a sexual orientation, but if you look at their website, it is very trans-heavy. So it's not much use as a support group for a young person who is questioning their sexual orientation, not their 'gender identity'.

Least of all for a L-questioning young woman: the only lesbian group is open to all 'gals', male or female...

Any criticism of groups like Belong To is easily dismissed as bigotry against LBGTQ++ people, but by isolating the T as not the same issue as the LBG part, posters on the Scouting thread have been able to show that they, like most Irish people, have no problem with LGB, we've shown via the ballot box that we've moved on past that as a nation.

But the T for Trans is a very different issue, with different implications for society, esp women and children. Just sticking it onto the LGB acronym worked for a while, but not any more, as the discussion on the Scouting thread is demonstrating.

Yes, you were really clear laying out the differences between the T and LGB

It was bizarre though to see how well that T has been welded on!! When the OP brought up issues that were specific to trans, she was accused of being homophobic, not even transphobic!

Trans rights activists have been using the LGB for cover so that people won't see the negative effect their demands have on society

It can't be pointed out enough though. Many people still haven't considered the issues and are blinded by the alphabet and rainbows

The problem is even though questions are now being asked, belongTo have effectively embedded themselves into so many organisations now...

Thanks, Demented101.
A really serious example of the out-of-place T is in healthcare:
there was a recent conference in Dublin
LGBTQI+ healthcare conference highlights failure in caring for core issues (dublingazette.com)
with the 'lead developer of the NHS Rainbow Badge project' as keynote speaker.
(Anyone who follows the FWR thread will know that the rainbow symbol in the NHS is perceived to have been politicised by the trans allies who exclude 'woman' and include 'chestfeeders' and 'birthing parents', so he must've been delighted to have an uncritical audience for a change..
And they still have 'I' for intersex in there, they obviously aren't keeping up!)

If there's one area where biology matters, it's healthcare. Lesbians have female bodies. Gay men have male bodies. There are specific aspects to their lifestyles that may be relevant to their health, and of course there's the basic awareness that they are lesbian or gay - I was asked in the past what form of contraception I was using as I was sexually active, and it often took a couple of 'goes' to get across that there was something other than heterosexually active, but I think that has changed.

Trans people, however, demand an entirely difference range of healthcare treatments, which may include puberty blockers, hormone treatment, and possibly extreme surgery, all of which will require lifetime follow-up. There is also the whole framework of gender ID, pronouns, medical records, etc., to be adopted by healthcare professionals.

In other words, the T part of LGBTQ++ healthcare is a whole different universe, and even just from a practical point of view, throws up completely different challenges to the the HSE, who were one of the hosts of this conference.

Yes, even post-Cass report, HSE trans activists brigade seems to be full steam ahead! So they are still not listening to their own actual experts in NGS who have spoken out on this with bravery and integrity

The HSE rainbow badge implementation toolkit has been updated for 2024 on their website. The still use the Genderbread person as one of their main references. This is a health service using this as a reference!!!

They also use 'Don't Forget The Bubbles' website, LGBTQI as another main reference. This is where the 'I Am Sam' training resource is published. I'm going to summarise this here or you can look for the full thing on the website.

It's a heart warming story of a 13 year old girl who is admitted to emergency department, drunk and with evidence of self-harm. Luckily there is an enlightened soul on duty wearing a rainbow badge! Before the child's mother has made it to ED, our rainbow warrior is quizzing the 13 year old about having sex, then sexuality and of course their gender identity!

The child is seen by CAHMS that afternoon and a referral to an endocrinologist is made. Even though it's an ED, we have some closure in the story when the child and mother comes back with a minor injury. Child is presumably on hormones and is using a male name & pronouns. Silly Mummy thanks our rainbow badge wearing staff member while guilting herself that the child didn't tell her about their precious gender identity but never mind, she is prostrate with gratitude to the mighty gender warrior in the rainbow badge.

Shorter version is that a 13 year old possible lesbian is transed by activists staff during a short visit to an emergency department.

This is used as a training resource for HSE staff!!!

healthservice.hse.ie/staff/procedures-guidelines/diversity-equality-and-inclusion/celebrating-pride/

All senior management have been asked to write personal messages of support

Pride was a fantastic campaign to garner awareness support but it has been completely highjacked

Jesus you would be petrified to leave your child near any medical professional unaccompanied after that story.
What is the end goal of all this transing? Is it to have a genderless society? What is the aim?

It's so odd. Since there has been some questioning of the trans, they seem to have really ramped up the pride stuff. The flag and badge they endorse now is the progress pride one

100%. Norma Foley has (quite rightly) launched a campaign to ask parents to refrain from buying their children smart phones before secondary due to inappropriate content. This has the effect of making it harder for kids to be indoctrinated online so they are now ramping it up to go to the kids directly like BeLong 2 infiltrating Scouting Ireland & other youth groups.

They seem determined to indoctrinate them with gender ideology through the schools, health services and other organisations

It makes 'sense' though, that the pharma industry, that makes so much money in Ireland and is regarded as almost-sacred, would expect Ireland to work overtime to push its agenda if that is being threatened elsewhere in the world.

I think there's also a huge element of 'fad' going on - there's are people who love a grievance, and love to feel entitled, and love to get attention. Being part of 'the most marginalised group in society' [😡] allows them to get lots of attention and special treatment. And a flag. And a big fuss over their preferred pronouns. And their own toilets, that is if they're not using the disabled adapted ones [😡again].

It's also a sexist backlash against whatever gains women have managed to make in society, e.g. being a woman is no longer a protected characteristic in equality legislation. Even the word 'woman' has been taken from us!

There is also lots of evidence that men are using it as an excuse for violence against women - they're not punching women, they're punching transphobes, and rape and death threats are justifiable acts of resistance against feminist bigots..

100%

And the pushback against the rights and progress women have made is compounded by gender ideology's roots in out-moded sex stereotypes. Everyone back in their stereotyped boxes please!

They have just been reporting on this on RTE radio. No suggestion that practices which specifically aim to change or suppress an individual’s sexual orientation or gender identity expression are two quite different, mutually opposed things, and that 'gender identity expression' is used in some places, notably Iran, as a means to deny ( and 'change') a person's sexual orientation.

Just yet another way to make Ireland seem nice and modern and protect the profits of the pharmaceutical industry while avoiding taking a serious look at what is happening and asking the hard questions.

www.thejournal.ie/conversion-therapy-renounced-healthcare-bodies-6434462-Jul2024/

Thanks for that link DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry.

I just can't get my head around how 'conversion therapy' does not include 'converting' from one sex to another [impossible I know but you know what I mean]. How is it so wrong to change or suppress an individual’s sexual orientation or gender identity expression, but OK to change or suppress an individual's sexual identity?

Roderick's Department is seeking input about the Next National Strategy on Women and Girls, step one should probably be figuring out what a woman is but in case anyone wants to participate, its open until September 30th

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/536fe-press-release-online-survey-for-the-next-national-strategy-for-women-and-girls/

"The Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth is developing the next National Strategy for Women and Girls. This new strategy will expand on the progress made by the last strategy and help advance the rights of women and girls. The new strategy will build on the previous strategy objectives in areas such as leadership, social and economic issues, visibility and active participation, healthcare, and gender mainstreaming.
To inform this process, the Department wants to gather the views of members of the public to make sure a broad range of opinions and experiences are included when considering what are the key issues, and how best to deal with the key challenges facing women and girls today."

@miri1985 thanks for this Will have lots to say.

Is there any chance of using it to make them put sex back into the equality act? They can leave gender in if they insist, but they can't protect women and girls unless they acknowledge that women and girls exist separately from men because of their sex.

I did it. Made a few points.