Gender Critical in Ireland Part 3

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I’m watching RTE news. They mentioned the Garda representatives organisation are concerned about Gender Identity in the workplace. It’s been brought in without consultation & without training.

the Garda Commissioner has said that Garda may be disciplined for misgendering.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

https://gript.ie/how-the-uks-cass-review-eviscerated-the-irish-governments-record/

Sandra Adams from The Countess wrote this excellent article on the Cass report that was published by Gript..

SETU (Collette Colfer's University) has removed their policy that stated refusal to use pronouns was "unlawful"

"Ms Colfer said it was important that all higher education policies are in line with current legislation, noting that UCD, the RCSI and Trinity College Dublin’s gender expression policies also state that a refusal to address a person by their preferred pronoun amounts to “unlawful discrimination”."

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/education/2024/04/18/university-changes-gender-identity-policy-that-said-refusal-to-use-pronouns-was-unlawful/

https://archive.ph/3A3Md

Good on Collette. She is fabulous.

The journal has actually published an article about the Cass report, saying how important it is. And another one (saying its shit) straight after. Two sides and all that..it used to be just one side's opinion, so I am taking this as a massive change in reporting.

The tide is massively turning.. I think it's beginning to dawn on even the most liberal of lefties that mutilating healthy breasts, healthy penis & healthy testicles because a child "feels" like the opposite gender is in fact child abuse NOT healthcare..

The problem with such 'leftists' is they are nothing of the sort and don't know the first thing about socialism. We used to laugh at the 'tankies' in the Communist Party. They didn't understand 'lifestyle politics". They were obsessed with the economy. But they didn't fall for this crap. Whose laughing now?

Ps I recently learnt that Magdalen Berns' mother Deborah Lavin was a leader of the Communist Party.

@Abhannmor very well said!

Totally good for Colette, she's a heroine. It does make me wonder about Enoch Burke's situation. At this stage I know that a lot of his difficulties are about being in contempt of court, and his whole family seem unable to accept that the rule of law exists.

BUT that said, should the school have attempted to compel him to use pronouns, when he was there to teach his subject to his pupils.

I think the reality is, nobody knows would the school actually have compelled him to use non-sex aligned pronouns. If he had done similar to Colette and stated his objections in a professional manner, they may have agreed he was within his rights wrt discrimination on the grounds of religion to refuse to use pronouns that do not align with sex. However, his approach was aggressive, adversarial and unprofessional and, quite appropriately, resulted in disciplinary proceedings.

Now, I suspect the school would have tried to insist he must use the preferred pronouns of the student but would have gone with a typical fudge by ensuring he never taught the student and had very little opportunity to interact with the student. But we'll never know.

So while Enoch Burke has shed a light on the problem, he has played in to the hands of the TRAs by acting in such an unhinged way. The whole family seem to go from nought to nuclear at the first hint of anything they disagree with. Look at his sister's actions when a colleague blasphemed, at least by her definition anyway.

I totally agree @OchonAgusOchonOh it's so frustrating, of all the people to have gotten into a very public row over this it had to be one of the Burkes - well known for their batshittery!! We need more Colette Colfers to speak out. Calm, factual and composed will get further than frothing about religion etc.

@LifeInAHamsterWheel Although I wonder how many people know who Colette is versus how many people know who Enoch is. Batshittery does get attention. But yes, Colette's approach works. The Burkes' doesn't.

I agree, it's frustrating because he's easy to dismiss as just a notjob, and hasn't dealt with this in a reasonable way.
That being said, I totally agree with his sentiment that he shouldn't be forced to go along with this. And I don't think he should be in jail.

Did RTÉ report on Collette's decision?

I put this up on the FWR page but here it is again

' Being LGBTQI+ in Ireland'

https://www.belongto.org/support-our-work/advocacy/lgbtq-research/being-lgbtqi-in-ireland-2024/

Also a good judgement in Northern Ireland

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/museum-worker-loses-discrimination-case-against-female-colleague-for-angry-rant-on-men-after-being-accused-of-mansplaining/ar-AA1nBnJt

‘Stark deterioration’ in mental health within LGBTQ+ community, researchers say – The Irish Times - sorry it's behind a paywall on the Times, I'll see if it's available elsewhere.

Anybody read this?
'Two-thirds of respondents report experiencing severe or extremely severe symptoms of anxiety'
Although commissioned by BelongTo, it seems to be a robust survey carried out by TCD, 2,800 respondents - not sure how they were selected, though, and if they were selected via BelongTo, that's a red flag already as you have to be TWAW to be comfortable engaging with them.
I notice that Moninne Griffith, chief executive of BelongTo inaccurately includes 'intersex' which appears NOT to have been in the survey, and is not an acceptable term for people with DSDs.
“Anti-LGBTQI+ and particularly anti-trans attacks are on the rise, and we are seeing increasing levels of hate directed at our community."

The elephant in the room is the inclusion of T [and arguably the Q+, but it's too early in the day to get my head around that!] with the LGB, which IMO kind-of invalidates surveys like this. You don't need me to tell you that transgender ID is significantly different from LGB, and don't belong together in organisations or surveys. Apples and oranges and all that.

Let's break own the categories: lots of LGB people are seriously upset by at their community being hijacked by the Ts.

Trans people are kept in a constant state of hypervigilance by claims of hate, violence, phobia, murder, Days of Remembrance for trans people who, happily, are actually still alive.

People with DSDs who must at this point by thinking 'not again! fecks sake lads, what do we have to do to get across that we are not 'intersex' so leave us out!' [I'm paraphrasing..]

'LGBTQI+' people experiencing mental health - or emotional health, in some cases? problems deserve a more thoughtful and discerning approach to their issues than this catch-all grouping.

Report covered by BelongTo at New research report highlights stark deterioration in mental health of LGBTQI+ people since 2016 - Belong To - LGBTQ+ Youth Ireland

Again it seems they are latching the t onto the lbq here... Trans really starting rising since covid & the rise in childrens access to social media. The tide has turned quickly as of late & the TRAs are going ballistic as people have started to wake up fully since the referendum & now the Cass report hence this new "report" coming out.. That's my opinion anyway.

The ages of those surveyed makes me question the validity of the exercise. If we assume that the rate of people being lgbtqi+ is constant across the generations, they should have surveyed an equal number of people aged 64-75 as they did aged 14-25. As it is, 43% of those surveyed were under 25 - so 43% of the results came from less than 17% of the potential survey-able population.

Add in the fact that they didn't separate results by sex, it leaves the whole exercise seem pointless, but also makes it seem designed to be picked up without question by media looking for soundbites.

I also think they should have compared mental health data with those who are not LGBT to see are they comparable. There seems to be a lot of issues in younger cohorts particularly so while they have seen an increase in issues, is that increase comparable to the population at large?

Very good point, Covid and smartphones and housing issues have affected everyone negatively since 2016.

Or maybe just seperate the lgb & survey them. Survey the trans separately.
Trans & lgb are completely separate, it drives me insane the way trans keep hopping on the backs of the lgb..

I agree with the points mentioned. I work in research and you absolutely cannot make a statement like ‘Huge increase in mental
health issues amongst LGBT people’ if you cannot compare it to the rates amongst the rest of the population. I also agree, separate out the T, but no one would get funding for that survey in Ireland! I wonder did they even ask sex of respondents instead of gender.

The results are presented by gender and not by sex.

I agree with all the points made already. If they've mostly surveyed young people then from what I've heard there's been a huge increase in mental health issues in that cohort in general - nothing to do with being gay or even trans but none of the other issues were factored in!

Still it makes for good headlines I suppose...🙄

Conincidence that this comes a couple of weeks after the Cass report & referendum when the vast majority of people are starting to recognise the damage created by the Gender Recognition Act