Gender Critical in Ireland Part 3

[VaddaABeetch]

I’m watching RTE news. They mentioned the Garda representatives organisation are concerned about Gender Identity in the workplace. It’s been brought in without consultation & without training.

the Garda Commissioner has said that Garda may be disciplined for misgendering.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

I suggested that.

I haven't been on this thread but was on the comhra chatting about the Rose of Tralee, lighthearted stuff. Out of interest I googled the requirements, historically it was exclusively for unmarried women and i know someone who was rejected in the early 2000 because she was a single mother. I don't know about mothers, I presume (hope) they updated that exclusion. I found it remains only for unmarried women age 18 to 29. But it's also open to anyone identifying as a man. I don't normally read up on this stuff but this really enraged me. Something that has such a narrow profile and is by its nature an exclusionary event but now permits men. I just thought I'd let you know.

I think they got rid of the unmarried requirement.

It's now open to anyone identifying as female. Which is complete nonsense. Female is a fact of biology. Identifying as female is no different to identifying as a dog. If they're going to open it up to transwomen, at least use terminology that makes sense.

It would be interesting to see how they deal with a transwoman. I assume the roses share bedrooms. Would they try to force a woman to share with a male?

You can be sure the first time a transwoman enters that will be the winner so the Rose of Tralee committee can show how inclusive it is.

Presumably.

@OchonAgusOchonOh apologies they did remove the marriage element.

Rose Eligibility Criteria 2025
All Roses must:

1. Be 18 years of age by January 1st, 2025 and will not have reached your 30th birthday on or prior to September 1st, 2025.
2. Be female or identify as female.

I remember being upset when my single mother friend was excluded, she didn't say anything but no doubt someone challenged it. That was about 2003. Progress is good but this is madness!!

Not only is there an online survey about the National Strategy for Women and Girls but they've also suggested you can email more detailed responses
'If you wish to provide a more detailed response'

I've just completed the survey, I think there was enough room without having to email a more detailed response - though I did have to cut 50 words out of one of my longer responses!

Be aware that after you do the tick-box exercises, the next page, a bit disconcertingly, asks 'and why do you think this?' which made me think it was being spoken by somebody [insert name of most challenging nun who ever taught you here] looking over half-spectacles with a very critical look!

It is in this box that you can really let rip coherently express your considered opinions on 'gender' equality, so review what you have done on the tick-box page before clicking 'next'.

sorry, forgot to link my posts to
miri1985 · Today 00:21
Roderick's Department is seeking input about the Next National Strategy on Women and Girls, step one should probably be figuring out what a woman is but in case anyone wants to participate, its open until September 30th

^https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/536fe-press-release-online-survey-for-the-next-national-strategy-for-women-and-girls/^

There is a tenuous link - I suppose one strategy for women and girls would be to end the Rose of Tralee thing..😱😁

I did enjoy seeing the odd tweet from the tribute competition, the Nose of Tralee https://www.petsittersireland.com/nose-of-tralee/ - though I think ultimately it's a money making dodge.

In case anyone hasn't filled out the survey yet don't forget to mention what a danger mixed wards and facilities are to women and how even a decade on after being aware of an issue with a man in this facility, nothing was done to protect vulnerable women

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/call-for-safeguarding-authority-after-male-resident-in-hse-home-inappropriately-touched-vulnerable-female/a865787692.html

https://archive.ph/Wz0Fp

"The family of the woman, who is vulnerable and non-verbal, want the male resident to be removed from the facility.
An unpublished review found no staff member recalled safeguarding plans being discussed or being informed of the 2014 incident.
Among the small number of staff aware of the 2014 incident the belief was that risk “no longer featured” in the male resident's behaviour, because his history of risk was associated with intake of alcohol at the time and this was no longer a factor.
Mr Cullinane said that this serves to again highlight the need for major legislative reform, including an adult safeguarding act."

I was so outraged by that yesterday. Inappropriate sexual behavior is a very well known problem with some mentally compromised men - including elderly men with dementia. Also adolescents, which can put them at risk if they are exposed to exploitation by adults.

The HSE must have an established protocol that protects women - health care workers as well as fellow patients. It's something that has happened all over the country since forever. I cannot believe that they don't have a standard response.

Or do they just think women don't matter?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy3l8pnld9o

Pleasantly surprised Michelle O'Neill signed off on this given SF are TWAW

Our own home-grown Cass dismissers😡
UK’s Cass trans healthcare report ‘should not be Ireland’s model of care,’ forum hears – The Irish Times
I hope that's not behind a paywall.

Thanks for that article, depressing as it is.

I know it is only a detail but it is so misleading for trans activists to talk about their access to HRT. HRT is Hormone Replacement Therapy and involves replacing the naturally occurring hormones in a woman's body which have been depleted due to menopause. It has precisely nothing to do with taking cross sex hormones.

According to the article People who want HRT that is Cross Sex hormones need to pay for them? Em yeah?

Funnily women pay for HRT. But I guess identifying as a woman as opposed to being one is supposed to give special benefits and entitlements. Who’d have thought!

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/green-party-leader-questions-sinn-feins-overall-support-of-lgbt-community-following-puberty-blocker-ban-backlash/a1600907129.html
"On Saturday, the Belfast native attended the 31st Foyle Pride parade in Derry, where he said there was “palpable anger at the Executive parties, particularly Sinn Fein for the banning of puberty blockers”."

"Kildare-based councillor Chris Pender, of the Social Democrats, posted: “Michelle O'Neill's signature on the ban of puberty blockers for trans youth in Northern Ireland is not just a policy decision… [it is] a betrayal of their members and the Trans community.”

"A Sinn Fein spokesperson added: “It’s vital that clinicians continue to engage empathetically with young people who are seeking gender-affirming healthcare.
“Sinn Féin accepts the current medical advice from the Chief Medical Officer, which will be kept under review until a definitive policy decision has been made.
“We are aware that the British Medical Association has recently launched a review of the Cass Report, and we will monitor the conclusions of this review when it is published later in the year.
“To be clear, our position is that clinical and health care is best determined by doctors and clinicians - not politicians - and needs to be informed by the clinical and scientific evidence.”"

I don't often say it but fair play to SF

I agree - well said, SF, that was a reasonable response.
But a 'health warning' about the impressive-sounding BMA review of Cass:
“We are aware that the British Medical Association has recently launched a review of the Cass Report, and we will monitor the conclusions of this review when it is published later in the year.

The BMA is a trade union for doctors, not a research/academic body, and they have already rejected Cass, on the usual flimsy grounds. They voted for a review to “publicly critique the Cass Review”, so the BMA review is anti-Cass from the outset - not a hint of balance or objectivity!

SF are not alone in thinking the 'BMA review of Cass' is something objective and academically rigorous, but it's not and hundreds of doctors have signed a 'Not in Our Name' letter about it. I hope SF etc. don't take it as authoritative, because it won't be, it is designed to refute Cass.

Nearly 900 doctors sign letter urging BMA to abandon inquiry into Cass review
Doctors and clinical leaders have called on the BMA to abandon its plan to “publicly critique” Hilary Cass’s review of gender identity services for children and teenagers and to retract its demand to allow puberty blockers to be given to children with gender related distress while this evaluation takes place.12
A total of 870 doctors, including 557 BMA members, have signed the letter addressed to Philip Banfield, the BMA’s chair of council, saying that they are “extremely disappointed” that BMA council members took part in an “opaque and secretive” vote on the Cass review last month.3 It was this vote that led the BMA to announce last week that it was setting up its own “task and finish” inquiry to “publicly critique” what the letter described as the “most comprehensive review into healthcare for children with gender related distress ever conducted.”
BMJ 2024; 386 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.q1772 (Published 08 August 2024)

People before Profit are having kittens & throwing their toys out of the pram as one would expect 😂 Good job Michelle O Néill, is common sense spreading to our shores?

PBP need to consult a dictionary. They obviously don't understand the meaning of the word 'fact'.

God that post by PBP, did they not pay any attention to the report by Louis Appleby about the suicide claims. I hate that organisations like this will never be held to account when the damage puberty blockers did, they will just ignore the people harmed and move on to talking loudly about something else

They have more bizarre posts in the comments under that poster they tweeted. Completely infactual & pure misinformation, I'll link it.

https://x.com/pb4p/status/1828032148877512719

Full tweet! The comments calling them out are gas!

The irony of claiming the care is unscientific!

People before Profit have tweeted plenty of batshit over the years but this is right up there!