Gender Critical in Ireland Part 3

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I’m watching RTE news. They mentioned the Garda representatives organisation are concerned about Gender Identity in the workplace. It’s been brought in without consultation & without training.

the Garda Commissioner has said that Garda may be disciplined for misgendering.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

I understand what you're saying but I think we have reached the point where most sane people realise it's not biggoted to stand back & watch children being mutilated, pumped with irreversible hormones & led to believe complete lies.. It is the height of child abuse...

I for one belive the huge pharma companies have a massive hold over our government & media.

We've only just about reached that point though @VoteNONO. It is terrible I agree. Hope this is the start of a big shift in mindset.

Have we seen any evidence of the influence of big pharma?
I believe that a total lack of independent thought and a desire to be seen as 'progressive', as well as a lot of lobbying by TENI et al is at the root of the problem. I'm not seeing evidence of outright corruption here in Ireland.

Outright corruption is I think very rare, but using money to nudge those in power towards a desired outcome is a different matter. See the extent to which Sackler philanthropy made them and their businesses an unchallengeable good thing until suddenly they weren't.

I'm also inclined to believe that in Ireland it is thickness/lazy thinking/virtue signalling rather than corruption that is the issue.

There was an article a good while ago about the LGFA (who announced they would allow transwomen from the age of 12 to play on their teams) one of their biggest sponsors is a pharma company (with a big plant in Ireland) who have made a lot of money manufacturing puberty blockers... If I can find it I'll post it here.

I don't think anyone has been bribed as such, but I'd be very interested to see the names of shareholders at these big pharma companies and if there are any connections to our politicians. I heard that Helen McIntee's husband has a connection but I've never looked into it so it could just be pure speculation. Follow the money as the saying goes.

What is indisputable is that the majority of our officials and most of the media have been completely captured by this ideology, and that's a real cause for concern. Let's hope the tide continues to turn.

Yes. I'm generally a believer in the saying
Don't attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
So not a believer in conspiracy theories as a rule.

That said, without doubt there has been strategic planning/plotting by TRAs to get this ideology to take root (Dentons handbook).

But do I think our media and our government have been paid off? No.

https://twitter.com/RoLaren_0117/status/1626757543841103873?t=qGEi5xZhEC9MdHbwc3fnfw&s=19
There was a link, in that this company sponsored Sligo LGFA. Whether they had any influence on the Transgender policy isn't known. Though the LGFA transgender policy requires only a small reduction in testosterone if I remember correctly so very favourable to Transwomen.

I don't even think it's necessary to pay people off. Bridget works for an NGO and has a trans child. She's very passionate about trans rights. Her best friend is an influential columnist in a thought leading newspaper. There's two organisations that aren't going to say much. Oh look! Bridie is going into politics! Marvellous.

Has anyone else seen anything in the Irish media about the Vatican's recent declaration Dignitas Infinita? I can't see anything about it.
It condemns violence against women, trans ideology - not for the exactly the same reasons as MNers do, obviously, but it's well-written and strongly worded.

It also condemns surrogacy, and I wonder is that the part that the Irish media find undigestible, as surrogacy seems to be so accepted here, for some reason..

There's a thread over on the FWR page which includes some extracts:
Surrogacy & GenderWoo now officially condemned in Catholic Doctrine | Mumsnet

https://gript.ie/the-double-standard-around-helen-mcentees-husband/

Helen McEntee's husbands "background"

Not sure why background is in inverted commas?

Given that Ireland is something of a pharmaceutical hub, and that tens of thousands of Irish people have found employment within the industry, I'd be more surprised if nobody in government had any family members working in pharmaceuticals.

I really don't think this shows there's a conspiracy or payoffs @VoteNONO.

Well there will obviously be a vested interest. Obviously the more children prescribed puberty blockers the more more these pharma companies make.
Why else would the government & media not be up in arms about the sterilisation, castration, mutilation & pumping children up with hormones? It's child abuse on every single level & these pharma companies, medical "professionals", the media & government are aiding & abetting. Why??

Why?
Lots of reasons.

Trying to portray Ireland as progressive, especially important because of our past. Virtue signalling as a pp said.

Trying to 'be kind' and inclusive. Many people see any criticism of trans idealogy as terribly unkind as well as bigoted. As a society we have been trained to think this way.

Basically not giving this enough thought (which is absolutely shameful for government) and allowing themselves to be led by the nose by activists. No critical thinking involved whatsoever. And children have been seriously damaged as a result of this sheer stupidity.

The usual patriarchal bullshit. Genuinely not getting the negative effects on women's spaces, sports etc.

Genuinely not caring in the slightest about women's spaces, sports etc because the patriarchal mindset is still alive and flourishing. And probably more likely to be challenged in traditional settings like the church or the GAA than in new cool Ireland that doesn't need to examine its conscience because it's the Good Guys.

I agree that it wasn't just one thing caused or perpetuated this, and so it's going to take a lot to unpick it all...not to mention there are many different vested interested parties who won't want to give up the gravy train/ validation tool. They will cling on for dear life, even when the sinking ship has been deserted.

I'm hopeful that the current sunlight in the UK surrounding the Cass report will help us push back when talking to politicians etc. but will they listen? Probably not.

But as the referendum shows Irish people are waking up..

The actual brazen of the audacity of the government to ask women all around the country to go out on International Women's Day & vote ourselves out of the constitution & it being Mothers Day weekend to boot..

And it was also just highlighting how out of touch they are with the electorate as they were absolutely certain it would pass!

https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0413/1443220-gender-indetity-healthcare-analysis/

Finally RTE have said something on this.

Not sure if this will work as I've never shared a TikTok link here before but I just watched it and thought it was so interesting to hear Dr David Bell's comments on the Cass Report

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Cass report being discussed on Newstalk radio now

Was coming on to post that too, published Saturday morning when the report was out Wednesday, they really aren't breaking any news over there. Could excuse it if it was very long or contained a lot of new info but its bare bones info with a few quotes.

The only thing I thought was interesting in it was the quote from Belong To
"The organisation believes that Ireland can learn from the Cass Review, from international best practice guidelines and to create a safe model of healthcare.
It said the model that is put in place must holistically attend to transgender people's physical, mental and social health needs and well-being, while respectfully affirming their gender identity."

I'll fully admit I haven't read the whole Cass report but from what I've read about it, didn't the report say that the affirmation model is harmful?

I just started a thread on the Sex and Gender discussions board (https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5051687-ireland-political-party-stance-on-trans-issues-for-local-elections-canvassers) to ask for talking points to party canvassers for the local elections re women's spaces and party positions on allowing males in to those spaces.

I started it over there as I thought an election thread on craicnet might head off in multiple directions on other election issues and I really want to keep it to the trans issue.

If anyone has anything to add on various parties' policies, I would appreciate the input.

Good plan. I'm a single issue voter now.

@Farmageddon Hmmmm, when I try to access that document on the ICGP website it says it’s restricted and I need to contact a library administrator to access it. Interestingly it’s still available to view on teni.ie if you google it….

@StephanieSuperpowers same as me 100%.. Aontú & the independents all the way.