Gender critical in Ireland

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Just wondering if there are many others out there. Was reading a political pamphlet and it was going on about self ID and how important it is. I just don't agree and think it's so damaging to change the definition of what a woman is. And the definition of a man too, I guess. Sex based rights are under threat in Ireland. Fed up with all the nonsense. Wondering what other Irish mumsnetters think.

That is so sad. There was an interview with Mark Tighe - who broke the story - on Newstalk this morning. He was very fair and reasonable. Walking a bit of a tightrope , he referred to the Italian bloke as ' the player' to avoid pronoun police I suppose.

Followed by a guy from TENI called Darragh Dempsey. His ploy was ' there's so few transgender players , let's keep a sense of proportion blah blah '

Nothing to bother your pretty little heads about in other words.

There's a good thread about this on Feminism Women's Rights. I'm a technophobe or I would link them.

Only 3 causing a problem in the Womens Prison.

Only 1 removed the right to refuse to provide ball waxing services (no, not those two balls!).

Only 1 insisted that the HSE referred to women as body parts.

Only the possibilty of 1 to remove the word woman from pregnancy legislation.

A thread on UK changing rooms:⬇️
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4605219-transwoman-in-the-changing-room-at-school-pool?page=34&reply=119110862

The GAA don't even have a legal right to exclude the bepenis from the Ladies changing room because the bepenis may have a GRC but the GAA can't ask for it.
Neither can any of the Councils providing comunal single sex changing rooms in public swimming pools.

There needs to be an Amendment to the GRA as a matter of urgency that much is clear. If a TD tabled one I don't think the big parties would oppose it. They could leave it up to individual deputies? If you want to get reelected in rural Ireland you don't mess with GAA fans.

Here's a link to newstalk reviewing the papers on Sunday. Starts with the Sunday Independent:

www.goloudplayer.com/episodes/on-the-record-sunday-paper-panel-YWYyOTllZTE0ZDFhOTYzZGY1MTc4OTllNDY3OGMyYmQ=

Around 22 mins in...

@Abhannmor

Followed by a guy from TENI called Darragh Dempsey. His ploy was ' there's so few transgender players , let's keep a sense of proportion blah blah
Nothing to bother your pretty little heads about in other words.

That's Daire Dempsey from TENI. Daire is probably quite invested in ensuring trans right and acceptance.
Google images is helpful to understand a person's perspective.
I , too, am invested in ensuring that trans people are treated with respect and dignity, just as I am invested in ensuring that people with cerebral palsy/ intellectual disabiities/ autism/ ADHD/ spina bifida/ ehler danlos/ etc, are treated with respect and dignity.

However, it just takes one transgender player who was AMAB to tackle me/my daughter/ my niece/ my sister, and cause serious injuries.

I know what I'm talking about- I am physically strong for a woman. Well build, not a delicate flower. Laughed out of shops in South East Asia, as they have nothing to fit me.
I grew up playing hurling and football with 'the lads'. Get in for a tackle, make sure you have your feet solid so that the opposing player cant shoulder you off the ball.
Well, I was about 13 when I got a big wake-up, when one of 'the lads' shouldered me off the ball and I went flying; not quite knocked out, but I was v pale (apparently) and I can remember the fright of being flattened by a guy I would have considered to be still smaller than I was.
But, puberty.
His had come into play, and the strength gain was considerably more than mine.
He got a fright too... he came to the sidelines to make sure I was ok.
I didn't do tackling again after that.
I also played Tag rugby on mixed teams. All the decent lads would be very careful how they tackled the women players- and if they overdid it, would be straight over with a hand out to pick you up.

Decent, honourable, thoughtful men know.
They know that you dont tackle women in a sports game.
They know they can cause injury.

Daire- it takes 1, just 1 transgender AMAB person, who tackles in the heat of a game to cause a life-changing injury to a woman. Do TENI really, really want to be standing behind this policy when this happens.

The government agenda is to roll this out to the under 16. Official policy is that 16-18 having to stand in front of a Judge and say that they understood the consequences of changing legal sex is deemed too difficult.
IMO, there is no way that the parties, governemnt or opposition would allow a free vote
And there are a lot of politicians who went FO when asked about a violent male being housed what should be a single sex facility.

The problem with the GRA is there are so many problems when the politicians have to look at sexed bodies.

Because ....the only times it matters if a person is female or male is when sex really matters.

In the NHS the management have a conflict between employer obligations and paitent rights when they pretend a staff member is the opposite sex. They choose to avoid conflict with the employee, and go so far in the case of women who objected to demonise the paitent. The patient has the least amount of power in that dynamic. The NHS can ask for a GRC, an Irish provider can not even do that.

Irish HCP are likely not legally authorised to provide single sex medical care to the opposite sex, and defrauding the State when charging the cost to the tax payer eg Cervical cancer care. If pregnancy legislation only covers women, any HCP who provides abortion services of any sort to a man is committing an offence under section 23 of the 2018 act.

Once you start looking at where sex matters you begin to realise that the GRA is fundamentally flawed.

The change you are suggesting is only partly works in the UK, they recognise Sex (as biology) and Gender Reassignment yet again and again it is women who loose public faculities.

The Tavistock and treatment of Irish children there, and trans identifying people in sport both on Morning Ireland today. We have a long way to go but at least there is now some sunlight. The MSM (and politicians) cannot keep running from the conversations that need to take place.

Has anyone cancelled their IT subscription? I've got a new Independent one so I don't need/can't justify the expense of both so the IT one goes. I'm not especially interested in the news as filtered through undergrad preferences, it's been years since I was one and I'm a grown up now.

Just listening to Morning Ireland. The nonsense about the pause on puberty is mentioned in the first minute or two. I wonder if the Tavistock is in the UK?

It is in the UK, originally childern were sent over as the HSE could not get staff for an childrens service, UK staff then came over to do clinics

@miri1985 has included some of the reports on this thread ⬇️ about how the adult service was "unhappy" with the outcomes which were handed off to them once the children aged out.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4605471-ladies-junior-j-shield-semi-final-everythingsgoinggreatinireland?page=3

That was a joke - clearly not a very good one! They must have mentioned that the Tavistock clinic was based in the UK at least 30 times in the five minute segment.

And wasn't it reassuring to know that despite internal whistleblowers and the Cass report, the HSE "had a look" and have decided the Tavistock is fine and apparently (currently) none of the Irish clients have any complaints. Can we quote that when there are legal cases taken against the state?

No haven't cancelled - I keep hoping they'll come round (cop on, I mean).
The article by Michael McDowell recently, was heartening.
But, I was not impressed when they allegedly dropped the Collette Colfer article at short notice. twitter.com/colettecolfer/status/1518951138573365250

I'm not hopeful. I did a search today on the website. Not a word.

There's something very odd about the IT's approach. I can't imagine that Mulally being on the staff is enough to dictate a party line (would any of the readership feel the loss if she wasn't there?) so I find myself wondering who is. At this stage they cannot fail to see that this is newsworthy and needs to be covered.

It's very strange. I suppose there's a certain niche they have, maybe there's prestige in being seen as the student's choice of newspaper, the read of the leaders of tomorrow. I'm not sure. But one thing is for sure, the more they pander to this nonsense, the worse it gets for them because if they are a newspaper ignoring a very big issue for ideological reasons, well, it's not a newspaper.

Did anyone hear the interview with the spokesperson for Trans Equality Together on RTE radio 1 at 5 ish today re the IRFU decision that transgender women will be excluded from playing with other adult women in adult contact rugby games ?
Apparently there are two registered players affected by this.

The interview was on today's Drivetime programme, the segment starts at 50:00. It was reported on the TV news too here.

All players of women's rugby are affected by this decision, all bar two very positively, and women players can continue to play their sport without fear of injury by males. And the IRFU appear to be attempting to accommodate players negatively affected outside of contact play.

@PleasantBirthday I cancelled my subscription to the IT. Just couldn’t take the wall of silence on the impact of the GRA. Anything topical relating to trans people was either not touched with a barge pole or was presented in the most blatantly biased way.

I emailed them (didn’t specify a reason in the initial email) and they didn’t even email back, just stopped charging me and cancelled my account!

I’m thinking of signing up for the Indo now. I did similar with my Guardian account some years back and moved to The Times. I can’t quite believe it sometimes; I’ve always thought of myself as a leftie, but there you have it.

@RedLemonade me too. ITs silence is extraordinary.

I wish media would stop saying that Trans players are banned & reword it as they must play with their own sex,

I know LGFA is still making policy but please email Michael Naughton regarding a male playing in the LGFA. His email is available on the website or anyone else you can think of.

I hope you can access this. In short- mass class action against the Tavistock. Some of these families may be Irish.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tavistock-gender-clinic-to-be-sued-by-1-000-families-lbsw6k8zd

archive.ph/2022.08.10-233104/www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4e7fc538-18dc-11ed-b1f4-627a202c7457?shareToken=485af9527de58533cf4579b7d4c53d7b another link if you can't access it

RTE reporting this morning that transgender players are being banned from rugby. They are so irresponsible (as well as being inaccurate).