Gender critical in Ireland

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Just wondering if there are many others out there. Was reading a political pamphlet and it was going on about self ID and how important it is. I just don't agree and think it's so damaging to change the definition of what a woman is. And the definition of a man too, I guess. Sex based rights are under threat in Ireland. Fed up with all the nonsense. Wondering what other Irish mumsnetters think.

It was also spurred on I believe by a US billionaire who transitioned later in later (i.e. an autogynephillic male) who through his family's charitable organisations has ploughed millions into pushing this.
Here is a blog that looks into the murky blokes behind this.
www.the11thhourblog.com/

Sorry, that reply was to @Leopardprintonsie.

@Annasgirl
I know they're providing funding.
Are they doing so illegally via brown envelopes etc, that's the part I'm questioning. It's easy to throw out accusations and people distrust these companies and politicians too. Eg was that decision by LGFA really about the threat of withdrawn funding as has been suggested upthread? Because thats very serious if so.

Thanks @Farmageddon, I'll have a look when I get a chance.

I'd agree with this. I don't think pharma companies even have to go to the bother of bribing anyone when people on the decision making boards have young kids of their own bullying them into becoming activists and railroading this stuff through in the interests of being kind.

In any event, re the Paul Murphy and promoting surrogacy article, the Irish Times really needs to decide whether it's a comic for students or a newspaper for adults.

I didn't suggest they had threatened to withdraw funding or that they have been giving bribes to politicians etc! Just it's too much of a coincidence (to me) that they are huge funders of these associations. And also, why not sponsor them? Why not have their names on jerseys?

What do they get out of it? Just my own personal ponderings, I have no 'evidence' of anything illegal at all and I never said I did.

What do they get out of it?

It's not uncommon for large local employers to sponsor local teams.

Yes, that's true. And as I said, I have never claimed there were any illegal bribes or threats etc. but I do find it an interesting connection. Just my personal thoughts.

Honestly, I think it's a coincidence. The administrators are amateurs and going home to teens/students who are getting all dramatic about this stuff and they're trying to be down with the kids. Probably coming under pressure from groups like TENI and BelongTo and haven't really got the time to look into it further.

I saw that IT article being discussed on their Facebook page and the comments are all quite negative. I'm hopeful that the more we discuss the topic ahead of the upcoming referendum, the more people will realise what they're voting on and what the consequences of a 'Yes' vote will be.

It's kind of funny though - "I'm calling my baby "it" to break the binary. P.S. I am 40".

I don't think it's a huge leap to think that pharmaceutical companies are going to benefit massively if a whole cohort of children end up on puberty blockers.

Yes it's suspicious, like LifeinaHamsterWheel said they may not have overtly influenced anything, but it shows a connection. After everything that has gone on behind the scenes and under the radar, is it any wonder we are suspicious?
What is that old adage - follow the money?

A few years ago in the UK the Liberal Democrat party were suddenly pushing Self ID and trans issues heavily, well it turns out they had received massive funding from Ferring Pharmaceuticals, a company that makes Triptorelin, which was originally developed to treat prostate cancer in men, but can also be used as a puberty blocker. Possibly a coincidence but maybe not.

Ultimately, the decision to allow male bodied players to compete in Ladies GAA doesn't benefit the female players, so who is it for? What is their agenda? It has to be coming from somewhere...

@AppleCharlottie if you look at my post I quoted @LifeInAHamsterWheel who never suggested anything of the sort. The fact is this pharma company is sponsoring the GAA who have allowed men play on women's teams & vice versa.

@Leopardprintonsie
It was the brown envelope comment that got me first really, not what @@LifeInAHamsterWheel said. I just thought...hang on, what is actually being suggested here?

The pressure is everywhere now really, be kind, don't be a bigot. I thought that was the sort of pressure the LGFA were feeling when they made their decision?

I do think it needs to be made clearer that by saying 'yes' to one group, you're effectively saying 'no' to another. No, we don't care about your rights, your safety, how fair the game is for you...you don't matter.

@AppleCharlottie I don't know what the GAA were thinking. However I will be protecting my children. They will not be taught this absolute codology which goes against all science! There are thousands of parents accross the counry horrified that the government is entertaining this.
These children who think they in their heads they are the opposite sex need psychological help before they pump themselves up with life altering hormones. That's what the government should be doing..
Providing psychological help for those poor children.

@AppleCharlottie i just reread your post.. Did you actually call me a bigot? Why? Because I'm opposed to the trans brainwashing our government want to bring into our classrooms?
I have emailed 4 tds this morning. I'm only getting started.

You've misread Apples post. She said the pressure to ' be kind , don't be a bigot' is everywhere. Not just the pharma companies.

The LGFA probably decided (or were told) that they needed a policy on the issue, consulted "experts" in various lobby groups who told them that they needed to be "inclusive" and that there is no evidence of harm anywhere from allowing male players playing against women, or even of there being any differences between "trans women" and women at all. And that not allowing them would be discriminatory, against inclusion, would generate bad publicity, and, you know, might put their government funding at risk.

No I didnt call you a bigot @Leopardprintonsie!!
I agree with you re schools etc.
I was saying the LGFA may have made the decision it did to avoid being thought of as bigoted by others. I think they made the wrong decision, to be clear.

New video interview with the CEO of The Countess group:

vimeo.com/808006969

Apologies @AppleCharlottie to be honest I haven't seen the slogan but sorry for jumping down your throat.

I wonder in all their consulting, did they actually ask the female players if they wanted males in their changing rooms, sports teams etc.? Probably not.

Oh dear me, no.

Of course they didn’t ask the women, you’re so old fashioned. They asked WOMEN+, the new improved version of womanhood. The ones with the long hair, long nails, makeup, high heels. Short skirts & a scrotom.

No worries at all @Leopardprintonsie.
Thanks for the link @Genesis1v27.