Gender critical in Ireland

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Just wondering if there are many others out there. Was reading a political pamphlet and it was going on about self ID and how important it is. I just don't agree and think it's so damaging to change the definition of what a woman is. And the definition of a man too, I guess. Sex based rights are under threat in Ireland. Fed up with all the nonsense. Wondering what other Irish mumsnetters think.

This reminds me of the Ricky Gervais sketch😄

Just got notified school 6th class rse programme is running shortly. Says will be using Busy Bodies materials and DVD. Says the handbook corresponds to the materials in the DVD. None of the links given to access the DVD work and when searching I can only find the old DVD (HSE website says it hasn't been updated yet). The content and structure of the DVD listed in the email however is the new format (talks about male and female bodies instead of boy/girl/man/woman and includes Gender Identity have no objections to the old handbook and DVD.
While the language change is annoying, it's pagesn 41and 42 I object to most which start with "We all have a gender identity".
www.sexualwellbeing.ie/for-parents/busy-bodies-english-language.pdf
Must contact school to get clarity on what they're using

Did you see Drew Barrymore kneeling in front of Dylan Mulvaney... Vomit inducing! What can we expect when women behave like this
I saw the Paul Murphy TD article as well - refers to the baby as "it" - my eyes rolled so hard that I saw my brain.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11860077/amp/Toe-curling-moment-Drew-Barrymore-kneels-Dylan-Mulvaney.html

@ladymactire there's the link 🤮🤮🤮

Thank you 😊This guy annoys me to no end. He and the other creep that's inviting children to join him on Patreon, can't remember his name now and I don't have time to search
I read the article and seemingly she usually kneels in front of her guests. Doesn't make a difference for me

@Believerinbiology I agree with your concerns. They really bend over backwards to avoid saying “girl” and “boy” (though I did notice an errant “girl” that they obviously missed at one point).

This “othering” of self from body is very unsettling I think- especially when it’s presented by the adults in the room as the framework for approaching adolescence. Your “female body” will do this, this, and this. As though the “real you” is a separate being. It’s all wrapped up in the tropes of gender ideology even when they aren’t talking about it directly.

Yes think I remember the missed word girl (and I think one woman) from when I read it a few months ago. The awkwardness of the language used, and yes othering of the body from self was jarring particularly if you lay the old version next to it. The language in the old version was much more natural throughout and more relatable to how you'd speak to a 10-12 year old.

Drew Barrymore kneeling in front of that muppet was cringe but I did feel better when I saw pics of her kneeling in front of lots of her other guests.

I emailed my tds Monday and no response from any of them:'(

And still no word from the CoI equivalent of the Catholic teaching group (or whatever they are called)... although I'm wondering would it even be reported in the news given the lack of airtime this is getting

Well they haven't reported the Muslim organisations stance even though a letter was received & posted up thread. The Gaelscoilenna have yet to comment too...

www.irishnews.com/magazine/entertainment/2023/03/16/news/jamie_lee_curtis_says_oscar_will_be_they_them_in_support_of_trans_daughter-3138951/

Jamie Lee Curtis has given her Oscar statue they /them pronouns in support of her transgender daughter... This is getting more batshit by the day🤮

I shouldn't laugh at this but I did anyway twitter.com/gay_lumberjack/status/1636298017568354306?t=JbRXIP3CiKBAN6X2_1qE2g&s=19

Just read that Barbie Kardashian has been sentenced. The Irish Times did at least say that Barbie was born male. And the last line mentioned in passing that Barbie will serve our the remainder of their sentence in a women’s prison.

Why did this kind of issue bring down a First Minister in Scotland but goes unremarked in Ireland?

Oh great . Another old Irish boys name is gone. 😂

The 'other creep ' is Jeffrey Marsh.

The Pied Piper who makes videos aimed at unhappy children and teens. Parents don't always understand. But he will be their Mother. 🤮

I agree 🥲

So Barbie is Woman who is dangerous in violent?

Panti Blissa man openly mocking women is suggested for a prime slot on RTE 1 .

Only in holy Ireland as my long gone Grandad would have said.

Barbie Kardashian being treated as a woman is fucking disgraceful.

He is MAN

Bow down to mna na hEireann plus.

I'm so angry, BK is an aggressive, predatory man, who has been previously charged with sexual assault and is now placed in a women's prison. I'm so angry.

Here's the link.

Woman jailed for four-and-a-half years for threats to murder her mother jrnl.ie/6021433

At the very least the headline should be trans woman.... not woman. BK still has a penis.

Even if BK had lopped the penis off BK would be a man with a lopped off penis
Men having cosmetic surgery does not turn them into women.

Hopefully BK will be Ireland's version of Adam Graham/Isla Bryson. And his case will get some mainstream media coverage

2 letters I saw in a regional paper this week. The teaching of gender identity as fact in primary schools is causing concern. I would never have seen letters published on this topic in the past

The first

Many questions
remain on gender-identity affirmation
SIR,

I am writing in response to Stephen Fernane's opinion piece (March 8): 'Are gender identity and parental consent at odds with each other?'

Many parents are also beginning to question the rush into gender identity affirmation, when the cost is so extraordinarily evasive and when the long-term benefits are disputable and unknown.

Similar to Minister Norma Foley, Tavistock, the UK's child gender clinic, had argued for “the entitlement of children to make decisions for themselves.” The NHS review of the Tavistock Clinic led to the clinic's closure because it was unable to show that it could adequately provide evidence-based recommendations to patients.

It had experienced a staggering 5,000 per cent increase in referrals, primarily from girls, over a six years period. There is no scientific consensus as to why this happened. However, parental consent was identified as being crucial in obtaining the best outcomes for children, including minors.

It seems that parents really do know their children best and are better positioned as a result to provide greater guidance when it comes to assessing the options, risks and benefits of any action, especially those with life-long consequences.

Finally, given the low prevalence of gender dysphoria in adults - estimated at 0.1% - and the high rates that desist with their trans identification before adulthood without any intervention, I question the wisdom of recent rhetoric and curriculum changes.

Would the best solution not be to provide those with gender dysphoria the right psychological and healthcare supports, and those with gender confusion with much-needed guidance, especially from their parents and that gender theorists should be philosophically and scientifically challenged, so as to ensure the right protections for all our children?

Perhaps the reality is after all, that parents, not being motivated along ideological or political grounds are best positioned as the constitution (article 42.1) states to be the “primary and natural educator” of their child,

The second

Parents feel 'steamrolled' by NCCA
Sir,

The headline to Stephen Fernane's Opinion piece (March 8) hits the nail on the head: “Are gender identity and parental consent at odds with each other?”

One of the major problems for many parents is that they feel that the National Council for Curriculum and Assessment (NCCA) is steamrolling a new Relationship and Sex Education agenda into their children's schools.

The accusation of steamrolling has some credibility in that the NCCA excluded proper parental representation from the working party drawing up the new curriculum. The Government by its recent withdrawal of recognition of the National Parents Council Post Primary has accepted the fact that the parent bodies representing 85% of second level parents have been totally excluded from consultation processes in recent years.

NCCA rightly engaged face-to-face with teacher and student groups but offered no such facility for parents. Furthermore NCCA then labelled the 4,200 individual written parental submissions as coming from a “sub-group” of parents.

The fact is that a majority of parents have no problems with the vast majority of the proposed new curriculum.

The two contentious issues revolve around “gender self-identity” and “ethical porn”.

Here, much more work is needed.

Minister Foley's support for student “gender self-identity” of over sixteens even in spite of the withholding of parental consent has not helped to lower the temperature.

On the question of “ethical porn”, parents would generally prefer our Government take action to prevent teen access to porn by means of the comprehensive system planned by French authorities from this coming September.,

Sincerely,