Excess Deaths

[Alexhorner]

Anyone seen this? Ongoing excess deaths remain stubbornly high in the UK. Just read the comments!

But why no mention on the BBC news? No investigation?

I wonder what part Covid has to play in this? If it's not Covid, then what else could it be?

I already told you that there are way over 3000 peer reviewed studies that show the vaccines to be harmful. I won't list a single one, you can do it yourself

At this point I should drop one or ten

Always the same with these posters - a million and one reasons they won't link the evidence they say they have when they could just end the argument by providing it.

To be to be clear, we know vaccines cause side effects. All interventions do. It is your claim that it was a mistake to vaccinate the general population (i.e., the risks outweighed the benefits) and that current groups offered boosters should not be that I am refuting.

As a scientist you should be curious enough and you should be doing this already.

@statementstate

I keep myself updated with all relevant literature regarding both COVID & vaccines/treatments (regardless of findings). I happy to read, with an open mind, any evidence you link.

Do you realise how insane it is to call someone incurious for not seeking out and reading something that does not exist?

I have repeatedly said I will update my opinion on vaccines based on the evidence we have.

Oh for fucks sake - that bloke with a PHD in teaching nursing again.

He's as much a "Dr" as my mate who has a PhD in journalism.

My friend insists on being called Dr on everything too, because he gets preferential treatment and respect as soon as someone hears the magic word "doctor".

Funny how people on this thread know people dropping dead of heart attacks right left and centre, but none of the hundreds of people I live, work, or socialise with on a weekly basis have noticed anything of the kind.

Don't take your vaccine. Good luck to you, couldn't give a shit. But do leave the rest of alone. Get yourselves on the David Icke forum with fellow tinfoil hat wearing types and stop bothering the rest of us.

@oatleytap sadly Campbell is a grifter. I feel guilty for sharing his earlier videos with friends and relations. They were just collation and comparisons of reports from other countries etc.

Then came his Ivermectin video and resultant spike in views / earnings. Trouble is there's no way back. Same with Brand . You can't just say ' oh hang on' . That way lies social media death.

Yes his earlier vidoes were great, and his original teaching videos for nurses too - think that's what his channel was originally made for.

Completely agree with your second point. The partnership with Aseem Malhotra et al was the nail in the coffin. In the main "John Campbell is a grifter" thread someone has linked his companies house info - he's making millions.

I think the ego boost must also play a role. You see it in the comments section for all the anti-science* grifters. "Dr. John, you are a true hero sir. People like you give us hope and faith in humanity"

*dislike the term "anti-science" but not sure how else to summarise this weird new trend of making money as a public figure by going against evidence-based views in science (climate change, COVID, cervical cancer, HIV etc)

This should maybe have its own thread, but interesting piece about Kennedy from the editor who published his now-retracted article in Salon and the truth around what happened.

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/rfk-jr-vaccine-disinformation/

It did neither of those two things. Official UKHSA surveillance data from the UK Government showed that the vaccinated (per 100,000 in each age group) had more infections than the unvaccinated.

Oh, darling, that's because there are more of them. It's basic maths.

@Alexhorner Vaccine immunity wanes very quickly and is vastly inferior. If natural immunity wasn't a thing our species would never have survived this long.

Oh dear, no, it's not 'vastly inferior'. Of course natural immunity is important, but if we didn't have vaccines such as those for polio, small pox, diptheria, measles, tetanus, cholera, typhoid, etc our species would be far less numerous than it is now. Natural immunity can only do so much, it's not a magic shield and although your immune system will do its utmost, it cannot protect you against everything.

Your statement does very much sound like you think vaccines in general are pointless?

@Alexhorner

I’m not sure why you’d trust Dr John Campbell as a beacon of unbiased truth on all things Covid related when his ‘claims’ have been debunked over and over again.

And people have developed hybrid immunity which is part vaccine, part natural infection.

“People who have recovered from COVID-19 and been vaccinated against the virus have the best and longest lasting protection against future infection, compared to people who have been only vaccinated or only previously infected, according to a new international study.”

Can you link the study itself?

SARS-CoV-2 hybrid immunity: silver bullet or silver lining? | Nature Reviews Immunology

It's higher for earlier variants, and original Omicron.

All forms and combinations are "low" for later omicron variants. That is not good news.

https://www.utoronto.ca/news/hybrid-immunity-provides-better-protection-covid-19-prior-infection-or-vaccination-alone-study

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20230604/US-blood-donor-study-finds-nearly-half-of-population-exhibits-hybrid-immunity-to-COVID-19.asp

Both vaccination and infection give you a degree of immunity.

If you do not have prior immunity (or it has waned, as we unfortunately see happens relatively quickly with SARS-COV-2), then vaccination is the far far lower risk way of getting this immunity.

We have heap of data showing it was better to experience your first COVID infection if you had previously been vaccinated, and that now certain risk groups benefit from having this immunity boosted via vaccination before getting reinfected.

It is a little ridiculous when you see people tying themselves up in knots trying to explain that getting infected with SARS-COV-2 provides the best protection against getting infected with SARS-COV-2.