Excess Deaths

[Alexhorner]

Anyone seen this? Ongoing excess deaths remain stubbornly high in the UK. Just read the comments!

But why no mention on the BBC news? No investigation?

I wonder what part Covid has to play in this? If it's not Covid, then what else could it be?

I think in a few years a lot is going to come out of the woodwork ref the vaccine and an increase in heart conditions.

Pfizer have invested ££££ in silencing the media whereas AZ didn't and they got (possibly unfairly in comparison) tarnished.

But the vaccination drive was over two years ago - there's been intensive post-marketing surveillance on all the SARS-COV-2 vaccines.

There are numerous datasets that are publicly available and so can be scrutinised by independent researchers. We are not reliant on any of the drug companies to provide this.

We know specific side effects (e.g., carditis) and their prevalence - given billions of doses were given we are well powered to detect even rare side effects.

I've caught up on a few recent videos I'm not convinced John Campbell conflicts with any experts. Can you cite something he said that is wrong?

My recollection is he's a big fan of Vit D and he cites good evidence.

He thinks the balance of risk between the Vaccine and Covid has changed which is self evidently true and the government have changed their recommendations so clearly they think the balance has changed too. (How could it not.)

He was pro masks and and then a more recent study on came out and he changed his mind.

He thinks it's worth an investigation into excess deaths and you seem to be claiming that investigation is already happening, so that can't be controvertial

He's completely evidence based - he always cites his sources. You might not like his more recent tone (FWIW I don't) but he's not saying anything that is especially wrong.

Oh, he also advocates aspiration but no two health professionals agree on that anyway and many countries use it. It doesn't do any major harm and might do good.

@BeethovenNinth

Yes, all the research indicates that Covid is largely a vascular disease. There are loads of links to studies, but here are a couple

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00403-0

https://twitter.com/WesElyMD/status/1610257212970078208

@GreenIsMyFavoriteColour

I've caught up on a few recent videos I'm not convinced John Campbell conflicts with any experts.

Fully detailed on the last "what on earth has happened to John Campbell thread"
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/coronavirus/4371621-Dr-John-Campbell-YouTube-videos-what-happened?page=1

These claims included pushing ivermectin (and the conspiracy theories that come with it) and that the vaccines were causing miscarriage. The thread gives more examples @GreenIsMyFavoriteColour

The issue is he makes claims that have no evidence base, in areas he is not qualified to comment. He has a huge following and is generating a monthly income of more than £10,000 on his youtube channel. The more controverisial the thread, the more views it gets so is actively incentivised to push conspiracy theories.

Previously he was making videos on content based on robust evidence, on topics he was qualified to speculate about as a nurse and someone with a phd in nurse education. These videos were helpful and informative.

Now he has moved onto peddling nonsense with no evidence base - and is disagreeing with those far more qualified who have explained the many issues with the things he is claiming. This is obvious when you see his videos are full of basic epidemiological errors and wild speculation.

He's completely evidence based - he always cites his sources.
He (deliberately?) misinterpretes academic research and other databases, including publicising retracted papers. This is a common tactic used by those who profit from anti-vaccine content.

He thinks it's worth an investigation into excess deaths and you seem to be claiming that investigation is already happening, so that can't be controvertial
I'm not claiming - you can find information publicly online. But as many PPs have said, it is ridiculous (yet finacially lucrative) to try and blame a vaccination roll out that happened over 2 years ago.

I'm not going to research him further, covid's over for me and that was his thing, but I've watched four videos on Vaccine/Masks/Vitamin D and he had reports which he went through in detail.

I'm not seeing him make wild claims or departing from the evidence at all. It's just the same as it always was, it's just the evidence has changed.

ivermectin, he changed his mind on back when I was still following - there were papers that said it worked and papers that said it didn't. He was just putting the stuff in the papers across. I've no idea what he's said about it recently but during COVID it was completely reasonable. You have just picked the video that doesnt match current knowledge and cited that, you could equally have voted the other one to show he was some kind of prophet!

You've cited two claims he's made without quoting them so I'm very suspicious he actually said what you're claiming he said. I literally don't believe he's claimed the vaccines cause miscarriage. He'd hardly be calling for investigations if he thought he already knew they caused miscarriage!

Anyway, I've reached the limit of the research I'm prepared to do. Thoughout the pandemic he was straight as a die and the four recent videos I've now looked at were completely factual. (I'd agree the tone has changed dramatically for the worse.)

@GreenIsMyFavoriteColour

It's hard to think you're posting in good faith when all the points are detailed (and have been repeated infinitely) in the thread I have linked. This includes links to specific videos and the fake claims he has made.

It also details the disinformation he was pushing regarding ivermectin (and the conspiracy theories around it) which included repeating claims from fraudalent papers (i.e., the data was proven to have been faked) which was known at the time.

Equally the claims about miscarriage and links to specific videos are detailed in the thread.

There is a reason that experts in the field have widely condemned him for profiting from this. Again there are loads of articles/blog posts/twitter threads from actual scientists and doctors explaining the problems with his videos, which I am happy to link.

And because I don't think this can be repeated enough - John Campbell makes £10,000+ a month from his monetised youtube channel. Tame nurse education videos do not get clicks, those that will go viral on places like bitchute and telegram will. He is actively incentivised to make controversial content.

I'm slightly concerned that 50pc of your post is how much money he makes.

Equally the claims about miscarriage and links to specific videos are detailed in the thread.

Ok, let's see the claim of miscarriage. I have a horrible feeling he's going to point out correlation without making any claim on causality, but I'll take look just in case.

Again there are loads of articles/blog posts/twitter threads from actual scientists and doctors explaining the problems with his videos, which I am happy to link.

Ok. I wasn't really intending to spend any more time on this but yeah, link to one you think is an especially good example.

^^^ Actually, forget this. I wish I hadn't replied and there's no delete button. I've stated my experiences of his videos. Maybe I've got it wrong, people can do their own research, I CBA.

So did I, but he changed. Remember Dr Susan Oliver in Australia who appeared on his early videos? She now posts on YouTube debunking his recent videos. I'm not sure if it's because he gets more kudos and flattery (he's only human after all) for drifting into conspiracy theory territory, or more clicks and therefore more money, but that's what he's done. He was brilliant at first, at explaining what was going on to lay people, but sadly he's not any more.

I've not read the whole thread but......
Having had covid for the first time recently I can really see how vulnerable the 'vulnerable' people are to covid and why there is such diet consequences. I am a relatively young (37 but I still class myself as young, dont come at me) healthy (ish) woman, i have no chronic health conditions, I work in healthcare and have a toddler and as a result I've built up a good immunity to a lot of illnesses, I am also covid vaccinated. HOWEVER, covid hit me HARD! I could barely look after my child, I tested positive for 6 days, had the most horrendous chesty cough that took 3 weeks to clear, the fatigue was and still is 4 weeks on awful, and the brain fog is bad too. No wonder people are still so gravely ill and dying from this illness

@Alexhorner everyone will blame it on Covid being the underlying cause because it makes them feel better. Many will say, “most of the people I know haven’t been sick with the vaccines, but they’ve suffered long term health issues from Covid infection”… long Covid, heart issues, breathing problems, fatigue etc
ALL THE SAME issues as adverse reactions from the jab. What is clear is that adverse reactions to the vaccine has been cleverly rebranded as Long Covid. And all these fearful people who have been jabbed hold onto this lie for dear life, because they cannot bare to contemplate their health issues are a direct result of they choice they made to get vaccinated.

Could this be due to obesity, the rates for the UK are constantly increasing? I don’t know anyone who died from Covid or vaccinations. I know two people who had long covid, one is fine now the other is only just feeling better.

That's such a ridiculous statement I hardly know where to begin with it. Covid causes those issues. Describe to me, in detail, how the Covid vaccine could cause breathing problems (and I'm guessing you're describing problems months after vaccination). I'm not interested in very rare side-effects either eg. 2 people developed lung disease after vaccination out of billions. That isn't clinically significant. Describe common ones.

I had arthritis after my vaccine which the consultant attributed to the jab. It was so bad that I was on steroids for months and then they put me on methotrexate which I never took. Instead I just waited to see if I got any more flares and I never did.

I never got my children vaccinated in case they also had an adverse reaction

It took six months to settle down. I’d love to hear if anybody had the same?

I know of no-one. Only people who have long-Covid.

I got reactive athristis after the vaccine. I had it first after food poisoning once many years ago and it resolved in around a year. The rheumatologist was very reassuring. It was shorter and not as bad after the vaccine for me, more like 4 months. Its also been triggered by other vaccines in the past and other viruses like when my son had slap cheek since my first bout. I think its an immune response.
My mum also got a flare up of her existing athritis.

In these mental gymnastics, where do people who weren't 'fearful' enough to have the vaccine, but have long covid fit in? Where do people suffering from long covid before a vaccine was even available fit in?

Long Covid or Long Vaccine? Most of the common vaccine side effects are also symptoms of Long Covid. A work colleague of mine developed ME type symptoms in the days after her booster, symptoms that still have not resolved 18 months later. Yet her doctor put it down to Long Covid, despite her being totally fine after her previous Covid infection. Anyone aware of a study being done that separates the two factors?

Based on your posts, you clearly have an agenda to push vaccine disinfo.

Attempting to make causal inferences about anything - i.e. blaming all health conditions on a historical COVID infection or vaccine is ridiculous.

ME existed before COVID and it existed before the SARS-COV-2 vaccines were developed.

The vaccines have been heavily scrutinised by independent research groups/bodies - there is no evidence that ME is occuring at higher rates in those vaccinated compared to those unvaccinated.

As many have said, but you keep ignoring, a vaccine does not cause you to drop dead two years after having it. This is why attempting to pin excess mortality on the SARS-COV-2 vaccines is ridiculous.

@JustAnotherRandom those groups are truly suffering from long Covid. Those who caught Covid before the vaccines could be suffering from post viral complications, equally those who haven’t been jabbed. I know one person who didn’t get the vaccine and who had long Covid (now resolved)

I didn’t say long Covid doesn’t exist.

There is data world wide to show deaths and cardiovascular health issues are on the increase, especially among younger age groups that were used to seeing with heart issues. Why are we defaulting to it being Covid causing these problems? All that does is illustrate how ineffective the jabs are at protecting people from infection + post viral complications (long Covid). Vaccinated individuals shouldn’t be getting repeat infections after being injected 4+ times. Where is the protection? Where is the efficacy? Why do they get so ill and why are they dying?

How do we know it is Covid infection versus Covid vaccination when the symptoms are pretty much identical? Where are the studies that make this determination and distinction? There aren’t any…

The injuries from the vaccines aren’t rare at all.

The average person refuses to link any illnesses they have to the vaccine because they fear what it means and goes against what they’ve been told by the media and their government, whom they trust clearly with their lives.

If governments world wide were to admit how bad adverse effects are, it would be pandemonium. People would be hurrying to take legal action… which they are actually doing already here, and other countries like Australia. The vaccine injured are MANY not a few.

I haemorrhaged for two days after the Pfizer vaccine and I don’t even get periods anymore. Absolute poison.

The average person refuses to link any illnesses they have to the vaccine because they fear what it means and goes against what they’ve been told by the media and their government, whom they trust clearly with their lives.

Am a research scientist. The most to date evidence (i.e., not just what the "media and government" are saying - they report science terribly) demonstrates how successful vaccination was.

It is abundantly clear it was safer to be vaccinated than not vaccinated. This is from multiple, independent studies conducted from different populations and by various research groups.

People who are currently offered boosters are those who are at the highest risk, for whom the costs of rolling out a vaccine are worth it.

It is ridiculous to claim that people are suddenly dying from a vaccine they had over two years ago when there are much more obvious reasons (that the governemnt would probably rather people didn't focus on) for excess mortality.

It is a shame @statementstate, that you are still repeating claims you've seen online (from those who are profiting from pumping out this content), rather than critically thinking for yourself. The evidence is literally right in front of you, and posters repeatedly link you to it.