Excess Deaths

[Alexhorner]

Anyone seen this? Ongoing excess deaths remain stubbornly high in the UK. Just read the comments!

But why no mention on the BBC news? No investigation?

I wonder what part Covid has to play in this? If it's not Covid, then what else could it be?

Does the same apply to the many other countries who don't have our NHS but who still have exceedingly high ongoing excess death rates?

Why wouldn't it? I'd assume the same response - that their healthcare systems were closed to anything but covid cases hence three years later a massive backlog and that at the time people didn't report illnesses that have now reulted in their deaths because of lack of treatment. Whether or not they have the NHS is irrelevant.

The vaccine does not weaken the immune system - it's exactly the opposite. Please stop spreading silly misinformation.

If it was anything else they’d investigate and link the two but people have been brain washed by the big pharma

But not you, eh? you know the truth. No-one's brainwashed you.

I've a mate who keeps using the cliches about 'big pharma' and 'the elites.' It's getting very wearing and my opinion of her intelligence is waning rapidly.

It does. Covid is largely a cardio vascular disease rather than a respiratory one. It’s also multi systemic so affects the respiratory system and is transmitted in the same way as many respiratory diseases.

The excess deaths is not necessarily surprising. We have a novel disease which is still killing many in the acute phase and it has long term effects that mean you are more likely to die of other things that might not necessarily be put down as covid. It’s not particularly surprising that it doesn’t get reported on either. Because that would involve admitting that the covid is like flu thing was a lie.

We thought my mum had long Covid. It was actually heart failure which came on rapidly.
I look back at messages from last summer where I thought it was long Covid - she died in the autumn. My mum is just another case of being fobbed off by doctors who decided that there was no point in properly investigating a 78 year old.

HER HEART FAILURE SYMPTOMS

• urge incontinence caused by water retention
• Extreme fatigue - she slept 16 hours a day
• brain fog - actually a stroke or two.
• Anaemia
• Constipation

thats all we had to go on so just putting this there in case anybody else is concerned about a loved one.

The fuss about long Covid has been really damaging especially if you have fairly non specific symptoms like my mum.

IT’S NOT ALWAYS LONG COVID

Well it’s not politically beneficial is it to draw attention to the fact that there are huge numbers of excess deaths and that the nhs is chronically underfunded and therefore unable to go any way to resolving the problem.
The excess deaths are certainly “caused” by covid either directly or indirectly. But at this stage a large part of it is to do with healthcare policy and funding.

Eg there are direct covid deaths, covid still exacerbating or triggering other conditions and causing deaths, people not seeking care as promptly due to nhs overwhelm and then dying an excess death, people seeking help but the nhs being overwhelmed so they die an excess death.

This is a good point. And it’s tied in with doctors not treating long covid seriously enough. We’re still treating it like some sort of post viral illness when there is evidence that underlying mechanisms can involve heart, lung, immune and Neuro issues. Some of which need treating.
Unfortunately I think you probably need to go abroad to get a proper work up done.

Has anyone actually taken the time to read the comments on this video? All bots to be dismissed perhaps, or real people relaying their real world experience?

There were a couple of items on radio 4 World at one a few weeks ago looking not so much at excess deaths but at adverse reactions to the vaccine which I was quite surprised to hear talked about. I really don't know why two years on these discussions are still shut down by some as 'anti vax' - surely we need to have a clear picture to keep improving things in the future. Of course all medicines have potential side effects but I'll admit I'm still troubled at the way people lost their jobs for not taking the covid jab. What a strange time it all was!

Hmmm wasn't it John Campbell that said the figures for deaths in the UK were not as bad as the government were making out? And that it was mainly over 75's that were dying?

I followed him almost throughout the pandemic and he seemed straight as a die to me. Almost exclusively going through academic papers and providing links so they could be checked.

He was an early advocate of masks and lockdowns. I was am early adopter of masks because of him. If he was wrong about masks it's because there is better evidence now, Ditto anything else.

If we have higher excess deaths let's find out why, no harm in checking.

The old phrase, "The Truth does not mind being questioned but a Lie does not like being challenged" could be apt perhaps?

Far easier to shut down debate by calling someone anti-vax than to face up to some uncomfortable real world data.

Still the covid vaccines have taken things to another level, such was the level of fear and hysteria that was weaponised to make us fearful of what for most was a very mild illness. The vaccines would seem almost like a religion to some, and hence asking perfectly reasonable questions regarding safety and efficacy becomes blasphemy.

I know several people who have had severe adverse reactions to the vaccine, I also know several who were ventilated with covid, including 2 who died. I work in a hospital so obviously surrounded by people who were at higher risk of contracting covid and where there was high vaccine uptake.

I also agree there seems to be a spate of unexpected deaths. In the last 2 years I know or know of 3 people whose young adult children have died totally unexpectedly, that is not normal. I also know of many middle aged people suddenly suffering heart problems etc.

Yes anecdotal, but I do think these are conversations that need to be had

I have severe psoriasis triggered by the vaccine. This has been acknowledged by my consultant. There must be thousands like me. Hidden and suffering.

The figure is worthless unless they can drill down and find causes

I still feel it cannot be discussed. I cannot air my concerns even on MN as I will be deleted

I remain troubled by the excess deaths and heart issues and would like a deep dive into covid and vaccines. why not - lets rule it out (or not).

the anecdata in my world is very real but I genuinely don’t know - how could I - and suspect covid itself. This also pisses me off - we can’t have long term control studies as so few have been unvaccinated

The number of adults unvaccinated in the UK is somewhere between 20% and 30%. Numbers were inflated to make them feel like a true minority, and also to boost the apparent efficacy of the vaccines. BBC quoted 8% unvaccinated which is plain misinformation.

@derxa no doubt there are thousands like you- I had friends with short term impacts such as no periods for a few months and one with longer term serious complications. They still don't feel they can talk about it without being shut down, it really is very strange. Hope you find something that works for your condition

It's strange that anyone expressing concerns about a vaccine, or the effect it has had on them tends to get shut down or dismissed for talking about it.

I wonder what on earth goes through the mind of someone who tries to shut down someone with a genuine vaccine injury? Is it a case of pure denial, or are people really this callous these days?

I won't watch his videos so can't comment on that. However NHSE has been open about the data demonstrating that lack of routine care during the pandemic years, and the subsequent difficulty of catch up for primary and secondary care, has led to excess deaths across many disease areas. This is not new news.

If, as you say, the anti-vaccine circuit is lucrative, I wonder how much more lucrative the vaccines were for the manufacturers, and for those pushing them so hard? @Alexhorner

I see this all the time - if you are skeptical about one view, I have no idea why you would blindly believe another which has no evidence base. Fortunately we don't need to rely on "big pharma" to evaluate the safety and efficacy of these vaccines - thousands of independent research bodies, without the same COIs, have done so.

"The Truth does not mind being questioned but a Lie does not like being challenged" could be apt perhaps?
All views should be challenged, and all policies should be backed up by the best available evidence. The fact is, we have robust replicated evidence that it was better to be vaccinated than unvaccinated, for the current demographics offered vaccines, the benefits outweigh the costs.

Has anyone actually taken the time to read the comments on this video? All bots to be dismissed perhaps, or real people relaying their real world experience?

On the internet you can find swarthes of comments about the earth being flat, that viruses don't exist, that the governments (all of them) planned the pandemic. People easily taken in by conspriacy theories, and SM and monestisation of them by individuals (i.e., you can make millions now by gaining a following and pushing CTs) has only made this worse.

Complete misinterpreation @Alexhorner

Vaccines can cause side effects, they should only be offered when the benefits outweigh potential risks. We have good quality evidence that offering vaccination to the gen pop was beneficial, and it was far better to be vaccinated than unvaccinated.

There is no biological mechanism by which a vaccine people had over 2 years is is suddenly causing people to drop dead now. If you have side effects, they emerge in the short term.

There has been intensive research into identify prevalence and prognosis of side effects so that up to date benefit/risk profiles can be generated for different strata of the population. The fact you're claiming otherwise just demonstrates you're simply blindly repeating other people's thoughts (who are profiting from this).

Indeed by adding all the posts all you're doing is encouraging harm (e.g., causing someone needless anxiety who was vaccinated two years ago, or preventing someone from taking up a booster who would benefit), and meaning people with vaccine side effects are taken less seriously.

"The Truth does not mind being questioned but a Lie does not like being challenged" could be apt perhaps?

Except the causal factors underlying excess mortality are being heavily scrutinised?

You're trying to pin it on a vaccination roll in 2020/21, where there is zero evidence this is the case. People do not suddenly die from a vaccine they had years ago.

It seems ridiculous (and benefits the government) to push this narrative, when there are far more obvious reasons behind excess mortality.

Consider why you are helping people like John Campbell profit from causing fear and anxiety @Alexhorner - and why you are ignoring the thousands of credible experts (i.e., relevant expertise and views back up by robust evidence) who disagree with his views.

You realise this makes no sense @Alexhorner ?

If more people were reported to be vaccinated than were unvaccinated, this would make the SARS-COV-2 vaccines look less effective, not more.

In addition, efficacy estimates have been derived from countries globally in multiple subsamples (not from the BBCs figures....). We probably have >1000 estimates of effectiveness over the course of the pandemic from various samples and with different vaccines. I'm guessing they're all in cahoots?

Consider the logic of what you're being told before you blindly repeat it.