Fox News Covid and Strokes

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Fox News have today announced there is now an investigation by the CDC (Crt for Disease Control) regarding the covid vaccinations causing Strokes.
The video clip I saw said there have now been enough deaths to link it. It was breaking news yesterday in USA.
I've not heard anything on mainstream media in the UK? Has anyone else?

How can you know what it’s like? You’ve never suffered it.

You’ve never been gaslighted by doctors or specialists saying it’s in your head. Find me one open discussion forum on it and please point me at it. Find me one area if main stream media where it’s been discussed and point me out it. Find me one article about how shit the vaccine damage scheme is and point me at it.

l hate the likes of Bridgen and Chopes. It appalls me they and the right wing media are the only ones discussing side effects. But please find me one area of mainstream media that are discussing the severe neurological side effects I’m having. That I’ve had after 2 doses. As the first one couldn’t possibly have been the vaccine, despite the fact l couldn’t walk for 6 months.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow neurological issues here too (and yes, Bridgen and Chopes haven't helped much) after two vaccines (same reactions each time so little doubt) and finally fully documented by my neurologist as vaccine related (even if it still isn't completely clear what is exactly wrong with me, and more importantly how to treat) and in my notes no more vaccines for anything every again. It is incredibly frustrating (and I'm not an anti-vaxxer before anyone throws that at me).

But please find me one area of mainstream media that are discussing the severe neurological side effects I’m having. That I’ve had after 2 doses

I hope it's somewhat reassuring that in the media there is huge amounts of reporting when it comes to established side effects - e.g., carditis, CVSTs.

In scientific circuits, all sorts of vaccine related side effects are investigated. AFAIK there is no evidence to suggest a causal link between a coronavirus vaccine and any specific neurological conditions. Many research papers have been published examining this and other areas related to adverse effects of vaccination.

This does not mean the side effects you are experiencing aren't real or shouldn't be taken seriously, the BBC or whoever can't be expected to report on neurological side effects - e.g., not being able to walk- when there is no evidence vaccines are causing this.

I hope that makes sense and that you are able to find some relief soon @ArseInTheCoOpWindow Have you managed to see a neurologist yet?

and in my notes no more vaccines for anything every again.

I think you should possibly get a second opinion on this as this is not something a decent health professional would ever recommend.

Reactions to vaccines are specific (normally due to the antigen the immune system is exposed to) - there is no "generally being someone who reacts badly to innoculation". There are some vaccines which for which the benefits far outweigh risks, and it would be very much not in a patients best interests to turn down (e.g., DTP post-exposure).

An exception to this would be immunocompromised people and live vaccines - which is one of the reasons things like mRNA vaccines represented such a promising development in vaccine technology.

You're right, I haven't personally, but I do have a friend at work who has suffered migraines and other neurological issues since 2021. He's unable to work anything other than part time, and it may or may not be vaccine related. We have had at least three other staff members who got long COVID that meant late 2020 to end of 2022 was basically nothing but constant doctor visits and attempts at trying to engage with work, and failing.

This is really more of a case-by-case thing, because it's, again, not even as big as long COVID, and it took a while before that got properly accepted in the mainstream as being something worth looking into and not just weaklings wanting to skive off doing work.

The problem, as we see with this thread, is that the only ones who want to lend an ear to your concerns also happen to ally with those who are firmly in the David Icke and Alex Jones camp. And that simply isn't a good look, even if they are (whether through genuine concern or vested interest) listening to that minority.

The NHS is basically this way with a lot of things, though, so I'm not really surprised you're having issues. I have a friend who has been waiting to see a mental health counsellor for two years since moving to this county, and only last month did she even get a call. It's horrible, and yet we have basically allowed the NHS to run into the ground a lot of services that now, more than ever, are absolutely vital. I'm pretty sure a video call with a GP is not going to cut dealing with obscure chronic illness caused by a vaccine, and yet that's the kind of thing you can expect to get when wanting an appointment for many other better known ailments now.

This.

I caught covid in October 2020.
My blood pressure went incredibly high, dangerously so.
I had a cat A ambulance called to get me to hospital, due to a very real risk of stroke or heart attack.
I've never had Hugh blood pressure before but it was spiking so high and took a long time to come down. As a result I now take two tablets daily to ensure it remains stable.

But that places the onus on us to make sure that the vaccine damaged are heard. Because they do exist and they need to be heard by more than Bridgen and Chope using them for whatever the hell it is they are doing.

Couldn't possibly be high blood pressure, obesity, excessive drinking, smoking or other untreated health issues or bad habits but let's blame a vaccine instead.

Don’t drink or smoke. Not obese, low blood pressure.

Despite this l was unable to walk due to severe weakness twice. Both times within 5 days of the vaccine🤷🏼‍♀️So what was it then? What was it that made me lie in a darkened room unable to open my eyes as they hurt so much? Or the constant 24 hour blinding headache? Or the severe brain fog? It wasn’t any of the things you suggested. And it happened twice.

And in fact the current think is it’s genetic and is an autoimmune thing.

So nothing to do with life style choices.

Thank you for your support. Sorry to hear it’s affected you too.

10 month wait for a neurologist near me. Are you applying for the vaccine damages scheme?

l can’t have anymore vaccines either.

and in my notes no more vaccines for anything every again.

l can’t have anymore vaccines either.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow & @Grimbelina please get a second opinion on this advice because it is contradictary to pretty much all medical guidelines

Can fully appreciate why you wouldn't want to have/wouldn't be recommended to have a SARS-COV-2 vaccine again (though this may change dependent on your health and vaccines available), but there is no scenario where a credible HCP would say this.

As has been posted before, vaccine reactions are specific, there isn't really a scenario in which someone just reacts badly to "vaccines" which is why there aren't blanket contraindications apart from those to live immunisations.

Treat all on a case by case scenario (e.g., you'd be mad to turn down DTP after an animal bite)

Interesting. Dd had pulmonary embolisms following her vaccination. Multiple clots. She’s early 20s, not on the pill, hadn’t been on a plane, no surgery. She’s subsequently been tested for clotting disorders but nothing.

its ruined her life to be honest. She will be on blood thinners for life with all those implications if she has a fall, etc. she darent do stuff like bike riding now. The medicine makes her feel ill. She’s got ptsd and has had a total mental breakdown which is ongoing.

she does have some autoimmune illnesses prior to this so maybe that increased her risk?

@QuintanaRoo in the vax damage sm groups I’m in autoimmune issues come up all the time. I’ve even read that autoimmune people should have been advised not to take a mRNA.

My friends daughter had RA. She’s been unwell since Pfeizer in 2021. She was OK with AZ as was l. I’m atopic. Severe side effects are also higher in atopic groups.

As for no more vaccines, I’m too scared to take anymore. My side effects were much much more aggressive the 2nd time. And it gets worse each time you are exposed to the issue causing the problem. I’m scared the next dose of anything will kill me.

Autoimmune disorders could be a combination of genetic and environmental factors.

How are RA or Lupus or Psoriasis environmental?

I think there's some confusion here

Pretty much all autoimmune disorders are multifactorial and are caused by a combination of genetic susceptibilty + environmental exposures

This doesn't mean any individual is to blame - environmental exposures could be anything - a virus, something you were exposed to in utero etc etc

I’ve even read that autoimmune people should have been advised not to take a mRNA.
There's absolutely no rational nor evidence that someone with an autoimmune disorder should not have an mRNA based vaccine - it's just a delivery system. These kinds of statements are pretty harmful IM0.

Twin studies are a good example of this - genetically ~identical individuals do not always develop the same AI disorders.

This demonstrates they do not have a purely genetic cause, but that there is a environemntal component.

Rude.

Ive no obligation to be polite to idiotic liars.

There's absolutely no rational nor evidence that someone with an autoimmune disorder should not have an mRNA based vaccine - it's just a delivery system. These kinds of statements are pretty harmful IM0

Are you in the vaccine injured groups? Do you know how many people in these groups have auto immune diseases? The vast majority. But it’s not talked about or discussed. And we have to put up with gaslighting statements like yours. Because it’s ‘harmful’ Not as fucking harmful as the vaccine was for me. Why isn’t it being discussed openly?

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow you're not reading what I'm posting. And I get it, the whole vaccine conversation has become so polarised that most online forums have descended into a kind of echo chamber (for both sides!)

The SARS-COV-2 vaccines have caused side effects. This is established. There are huge amounts of research looking into this, it is not something that is being ignored. Unfortunately, as other posters have described, non life threatening neurological symptoms are not a priority for the NHS - whatever the cause. I have a cousin with FND so know how frustrating it is.

However, it is not gaslighting to point out that there is no rationale (nor evidence) that an mRNA delivery system is specifically harmful to people with AI disorders. There is no biological plausiblity behind this, it is just a delivery system.

Misinformation causes harm to people with vaccine side effects, which is one of the reasons I point it out on threads - muddying the waters, making it less likely for concerns to be taken seriously etc, whilst allowing those at the top to profit from using people's stories.

blephly and foliageeverywhere I have spent the last year seeing rheumatologists, neurologists, cardiologists and various other doctors and rest assured the last neurologist who advises no more vaccines is a senior consultant at one of the London teaching hospitals. As there is still disagreement as to what has happened to me, that seems very sensible advice indeed.

I have had multiple opinions and investigations and at this point believe I know more about what has happened to me than you do. I would also point out that people, like me, reporting reactions through the yellow card system are finding that some reports are missing, deleted or not followed up... which suggests the data could well be flawed. Your confidence may be misplaced. The Vaccine Damage Payment exists for a reason.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow I have actually made incredibly progress over the last year (well am about 80% after being bedbound mid 2021) so have been advised I wouldn't quality... basically not damaged enough! I hope you have more success.

Again, it seems like you're not reading what I'm posting?

We know these vaccines can cause side effects, I am not in no way suggesting your symptoms aren't causally associated with the SARS-COV-2 vaccine you had, and I hope you get the support and compensation you're entitled to.

I'm just pointing out to extrapolate from this to "no vaccines for anything ever again" goes against pretty much all guidelines in healthcare.

As said in my original post, it would be crazy to turn down DTP after exposure for example, just because you had side effects from an unrelated vaccine. I can't see how any credible HCP would recommend this.

blephly again, I don't think you appreciate just how ill I (and others) have been.

Your example of turning down a DTP is rather pedantic and unhelpful. The wording in the letter from my neuro is more nuanced obviously, but the fact remains that my health has very possibly been irrevocably damaged from the vaccines I had in 2021. Any future possible reaction to a vaccine would need to be very carefully considered indeed.

After the year long battle to navigate any care (in the face of multiple dismissals of "this could never happen") and for an acknowledgement of what happened to me (and to others), I am sure you can appreciate that I might find your tone (and that of other's which verges on the patronising) rather familiar (and unhelpful).