Vaccine injury ( not anti- vax)

[ArseInTheCoOpWindow]

My first 2 were AZ. No problems.

Had Moderna booster last year. 1 week after became really weak and exhausted (really weak and exhausted too weak to do anything) 5-6 months to return to health

Had Pfeizer booster 2 weeks ago. After a week, became so weak l couldn’t walk, and ended up in A and E. Since then I’ve lost my sense of smell, blinding headaches, weak as a kitten.

So, it seems that both vaccines have triggered some response. DH says he’s heard about people getting Long Covid from vaccines. DS who’s a journalist on national press says he’s heard of it too but ‘no one cares as they won’t be open about it’

Theres a subreddit with 5000 members, and l have found various things on it. It’s nickname is Spike Disease as it’s to do with the protein spike.

Does anyone else know anything? (please no anti vaxxers, I’m struggling enough as it is)

Actually lm feeling better😯

But it’s disgusting. It IS treated as heresy if you are injured by it. And as for those idiots at the MHRA. Let’s report side effects to a organisation funded by Pfeizer. What could possibly be the problem with that then?😏

What does the immune system respond to? A compound in the vaccine, the spike protein the immune system is instructed to produce or what? Is there anything else?

And if vaccine stays local, the only other thing that results is the spike protein that the body is instructed to produce, so why does a reaction happen in the heart or in the womb?

which other vaccines provoke these widely different reactions involving major diff organs? I am not aware of any vaccines that affect organs to this extent, even if rare.

if it had been explained somewhere i’d love to read. I have questions but I don’t know what I don’t know. really, I’ve been searching, send anything you have.

So they spike protein in Covid-19 can cause damage but the spike in the vaccine is completely benign?

www.bhf.org.uk/what-we-do/news-from-the-bhf/news-archive/2021/august/covid-19-spike-protein-binds-to-and-changes-cells-in-the-heart#:~:text=The%20spike%20protein%20found%20on,European%20Society%20of%20Cardiology%20Congress.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow I don’t think it’s treated as hearsay. I think it needs to be properly evaluated. For example - I could attribute my hair turning grey to having had the vaccine and be utterly convinced that the vaccine caused it. However - what if I was wrong? What if I was just ‘over confident’ in my layman’s knowledge, what if I persuaded others to not get vaccinated because ‘it turns your hair grey’ - and they contracted Covid and died as a result of my unscientific claim?
With any scientific process you go with the consensus of thought. So if you go to any doctor in any surgery in the UK - or in Europe - or indeed if you read the medical guidelines for any country globally they will all say that the vaccine is safe and the best defence against Covid 19. They are not all ‘sponsored by Pfizer’.
What you are reporting is unusual. It is not the norm. And you can’t base medical decision making on an unverified, unusual reaction. This wouldn’t be safe for the majority of the population. The overwhelming and vast majority evidence/data etc that has been scrutinised, collated, peer reviewed etc etc from many different sources - given that billions of vaccinations have been delivered globally - is that the vaccine is safe and your best defence against Covid 19.
As you are speaking anecdotally - I can say anecdotally that all my friends, family, work colleagues have had the vaccine and had no side effects. This experience seems to fit the global norm.

Well bully for you,

I’m still sick 6 weeks later. Try looking on vaccine injured groups. There’s lots of people.

GB News seems to be the only channel giving vaccine injured a voice, the Mark Steyn show in particular, Mon - Thu 8-9pm.

VIBUK, are also helping support people with vaccine injuries, some of which have now received compensation from the government, £120k for loss of their partners, or permanent disability, where the vaccine has been proven to be the cause, not hearsay, proven. MP Christopher Chope is also trying to raise this issue.

I know people don’t want to hear it, and I can understand why, it’s scary, but what these people are going through is heartbreaking and they need a voice and treatment, which sadly they claim has not been forthcoming via the NHS.

@Roselilly36

I suspect that’s because GB news is inane shit for Farage lovers.

@MeowwandAnder speak for yourself!

@Roselilly36

Well if you want to support someone who comes up with such nuggets as : “The white supremacists are American citizens. The illegal immigrants are people who shouldn’t be here,” Steyn said : has questionable views on abortion, capital riots, climate change etc etc you crack on. I’d prefer not to take any medical advice from someone with his political ‘views’.

I completely agree. GB News has actually had some excellent coverage and open conversation about the vaccine and those who've experienced injuries from it.

But of course like everything if someone goes against the grain and it's not what people were led to believe, then they must be crazy. They have interviewed plenty of medical professionals on their show which were held at high regard, but then as soon as they've come out to criticise the vaccine they're labelled as whackos or conspiracy theorists. Worst of all are the people who have experienced adverse effects and are then labelled so because they don't want any more vaccines.

In just the past WEEK we (my husband and I) have spoken personally to:

His good friend who owns a gym, so very fit and healthy! Girlfriend pressured him into the jab so they could go on a cruise. 4 days later he experienced severe chest pains and ended up in the hospital with myocarditis. Doctors told him it probably wasn't connected to the jab. Then he got the booster so they could go travelling again. 4 days later he ended up back in hospital again with myocarditis. That time doctors said it was linked to the jab. He's been advised not to have any more.

32 year old son of a colleague who worked night shifts in a care home also got myocarditis and was in hospital for a week and off work for a month. He's just had give notice to quit his job because the doctors have advised him he's working too much and his body can't cope (he's still experiencing heart issues) and they said he will likely end up in hospital or die if he keeps working. How sad to be so young and have this happen 😕

Husband's mum's friend had the booster a month or so ago. Said she didn't feel right a couple days later. Then a few days later she died.

Could it all be coincidence? Perhaps. But there are far too many coincidences happening for me to be comfortable with.

@SparklyMistleToes

Or more like extremist, very conservative, right wing conspiracy theorists attributing things to the vaccine that fits their agenda?

Very strange that your bit of anecdotal evidence doesn’t fit with anything like what the general population are experiencing AND you happen to love a bit of GB news - which is full of very right wing pundits.

Wonder what your views on immigration and climate change are…actually don’t bother - I already know.

@MeowwandAnder why have you come on here to patronise the ill OP and verbally abuse other posters?

OP, from experience I would suggest that the vaccine isn’t “causing” long covid (this isn’t actually possible as the vaccine doesn’t give you covid), but retriggering long covid or post covid symptoms (that perhaps were less severe or less long lived when you actually had covid, which everyone most likely has had now even without realising it).

My 3rd vax was pfeizer, triggered a horrible long covid bout.

My fourth was the pfeizer dual vax (ie half a dose for each strain) and didn’t trigger it - I chose this vaccine on purpose as I hoped the lower doses would be less triggering, but everyone’s body is different.

In your case I’m guessing this is your first pfeizer vaccine therefor triggering a very strong response?

@JackTorrance

I’m sick to death of unscientific, right wing conspiracy theorists. If they are truly ill from the vaccine then it needs a proper medical diagnosis - not random social media speculation which is rife with extremist GB news type thinking.

Perhaps you should spare a thought for those who have become ill/died due to the spread of misinformation.

OP, another one here who was sadly vaccine injured (but by the Astrazeneca x2, symptoms happened after both jabs so very little doubt). Obviously I am not an anti-vaxxer. It has been an absolutely shocking experience trying to access help and any treatment. Luckily I have had a supportive GP and finally got in front of a neurologist who has stated in writing that my injuries were due to the vaccine and I am not to have any more vaccinations. It has been incredibly difficult even talking about my experience (and for a long time I didn't) but I do feel it is important that the risks are acknowledged and the minority who have reactions are supported.I am feeling. much better nearly two years on from my first vaccine and hope things get better for you.

Unfortunately OP you are receiving a fair few antivax anecdotes that don’t relate to your question

I’m sick to death of unscientific, right wing conspiracy theorists. If they are truly ill from the vaccine then it needs a proper medical diagnosis

People discuss plenty of illnesses, injuries and other health issues on MN and they are perfectly entitled to discuss this as well.
Like many conditions, "getting a proper medical diagnosis" can be an upwards struggle and often peer support is necessary and valuable.

It hasn’t triggered an old Covid infection. I had it in April, was vaguely ill for a bit, but definitely no long Covid.

I’ve looked into it, and it’s an autoimmune condition. It’s rare, but not that rare. It mimics Long Covid, but isn’t long Covid. In Slovakia it’s accepted and treated with anti biotics for their inflammatory reducing properties. It has been treated with steroids in the U.K. So it’s an inflammatory auto immune response. MHRA say it’s not a side effect. But as they are bank rolled by Pfeizer that’s to be expected.

We can’t actually know if it’s retriggered a post covid response, there’s no way to test this.
”Long covid” is also thought likely to be an auto immune response

I’ve found medical research ( not random nobodies) on people in the UK who were treated in certain hospitals with high dose steroids. The ratio was about 1.5:1 million.

“Bank rolled by Pfizer” - yet claims not to be anti vaxx/conspiracy theorist

Wtf?!

l’ve had endless emails with those wankers at MHRA. They refuse to acknowledge that this exists. And they are paid for by medical companies!

Im as pro-vax as possible. I was desperate for my vaccines and am fucking traumatised that l can’t have them any more. This is why l want bloody action on it.

Anti vax😂😂😂deary me,😂

Yes but you are suggesting that a whole organisation are conspiring against you and are somehow motivated purely by some kind of money led, big pharma collusion with Pfizer. That is exactly the same sentiment as your average anti vaxxer! Even if you are pro vax, and you are injured - you must be able to see that your experience in very unusual. Billions and billions of doses have been administered. The vast, vast, vast majority have no issues. And if there is an issue, it’s very important to seek sound medical advice, and not seek answers on social media - which seems to be a magnet for extremist views and those who applaud GB news. How the hell is GB news going to offer a more balanced transparent viewpoint when it’s pundits include anti immigration/islam, anti abortion, anti climate change, anti science type views??

I have sought medical advice. It’s caused by the vaccine🤷🏼‍♀️What else am l supposed to do? would like to actually have the vaccine, so would like someone to research into how to prevent it happening. But I’m just left in No Mans Land.

As for GB news. I wouldn’t. piss on it if it was on fire.