Vaccine injury ( not anti- vax)

[ArseInTheCoOpWindow]

My first 2 were AZ. No problems.

Had Moderna booster last year. 1 week after became really weak and exhausted (really weak and exhausted too weak to do anything) 5-6 months to return to health

Had Pfeizer booster 2 weeks ago. After a week, became so weak l couldn’t walk, and ended up in A and E. Since then I’ve lost my sense of smell, blinding headaches, weak as a kitten.

So, it seems that both vaccines have triggered some response. DH says he’s heard about people getting Long Covid from vaccines. DS who’s a journalist on national press says he’s heard of it too but ‘no one cares as they won’t be open about it’

Theres a subreddit with 5000 members, and l have found various things on it. It’s nickname is Spike Disease as it’s to do with the protein spike.

Does anyone else know anything? (please no anti vaxxers, I’m struggling enough as it is)

@WiseUpJanetWeiss

Yeah, l reported them all. All 19 or so! New ones keep appearing all the time though. Dry eyes and twitching eye muscles today.

Theh sent me an email saying they were going to get in touch with me😂

What are the 19 symptoms together @ArseInTheCoOpWindow ?

Insomnia
anxiety( one episode more like terror)
depression
sneezing
aching all over
blinding headache
loss of smell ( very pronounced)
vivid dreams
weakness (very much so-really bad)
tiredness
exhaustion ( tok exhausted to talk at first)
fuzzy head
dizziness
feeling faint when standing up
painful eye muscles
dry eyes
nausea
upset stomach
twitching eye muscles

Not in any particular order. Loss of smell, weakness, exhaustion and anxiety episode all off the scale

Feeling wired too

Op what are the fb groups you mention? I am interested as I was in bed for 6 weeks after the first jag and after the second I've had to give up working. I already have a diagnosis of fibromyalgia from before the jags but the symptoms worsened massively after. I've since been diagnosed with ME and ehlers danlos syndrome.

I don't think the vaccine triggered these, but rather exasperated them hugely

Ehler danlos is a genetic disorder though right? A mutation in the collagen gene if I'm remembering correctly!

A vaccine, or any other environmental exposure, can't cause this.

I hope you have a good support, my friend has EDS and finds hydrotherapy (including gentle swimming) very helpful.

Anything that contributes to inflammation can exacerbate EDS.

@saltedcaramel1 yes, my post said the vaccines exasperated the conditions, not caused them.

could you please provide some examples of this?

@EcoTourist

Here are some recent examples of research you've already been linked to on other threads, looking into prevalence, stratification of risk & pathomechanisms of vaccine side effects:

Effects on menstrual cycle

www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/study-confirms-link-between-covid-19-vaccination-temporary-increase-menstrual-cycle-length#:~:text=A%20large%20international%20study%20has,menses%20(days%20of%20bleeding).

Carditis - meta-analysis of 39 studies

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35906423/

You say that this post-marketing surveillance is "secretive", but it took me about 2 seconds to pull up these, of which there must be thousands more published examples.

You sort of say this at the end of your post anyway, which makes one wonder why you brought it up in the first place, almost as if you were changing the subject to avoid the actual topic...

I genuinely don't understand what you're trying to imply by this - what topic I'm supposed to be avoiding, or what I'm bringing up to avoid said topic.

@beststepforward ivr pm’d you.

l also found acupuncture really helpful. The first time l had it, l was up and about after 5 or sessions. All the symptoms began to recede bit by bit after each session. I remember the first time l got in the car without my head swimming was a massive step forward.

Can you carry on with the acupuncture if it's given you such good results? That's really promising.

My friend swears by cupping, which she has done alongside acupunture, which could be worth exploring.

Yes, I’ve just gone back. She’s amazing, a Chinese medical doctor who does proper Chinese accupuncture.

She’s really well known for helping with fertility issues and lives near me.

I've had a minor heart condition develop since my third jab. That was Pfizer and my others were AstraZeneca. It developed within 48 hrs of the jab. It's been a year and it now seems that palpitations, an irregular heartbeat and a slightly lower than normal oxygen saturation is what I'm left with, but nobody will say it was the Pfizer jab that did it, even though heart damage is listed as a rare side effect

@EcoTourist

In that case there are several posters who have a very similar posting style to you, who appeared on MN at a similar time, who I've had the same conversation with on other threads where it's claimed nothing is being investigated regarding vaccine side effects. I've linked these and similar papers.

I'm not attempting to gaslight anyone- that's a pretty strong claim, and if you aren't the same person, you just need to say so! (as you have done)

@JosephFrancis thats crap.

I think the day will come when the waiver will be rolled back. I’m sorry that no one supports you.

Also not an antivaxxer, think it's probably extremely likely that a vaccine that didn't go through years of trials will produce unexpected side effects when administered en masse, and that the massive pharmaceutical companies probably worked out how to mitigate their possible financial or credibility losses before the rollout.

Why wouldn't they when as you say, carditis is already a known side effect?

I had really bad chest pain in the summer, and the first thing my GP did was ask timings for if I'd been vaccinated and any previous episodes of COVID. She also told me to report my symptoms to the yellow card scheme.

Fortunately was all fine, but I'm really suprised your HCP has this attitude. Do report if you haven't already.

Was it your cardiologist who said this?

I had a similar experience. Had 2 vaccines but then had my booster last Nov and was unwell for around 3 months, it triggered a benign but v itchy rash all over my body but also feeling incredibly nauseous and fainting. I have pre existing ME/CFS and had struggled to recover when I got covid in 2020. It's difficult because I don't feel I can have another booster this year but am generally massively pro vaccination, always get my flu jab every year etc and I don't want to discourage anyone else from getting it because for most people the pros will outweigh the risks.

"Years of trials" would not have made a difference - it was tested in exactly the same way other vaccines/medicatons are - just with some phases in parallel.

You can only identify rare side effects when it's administered to millions/billions of people - otherwise you lack statistical power. A trial of this size would never be conducted, even if someone decided to test it for years.

Yeah. My GP told me to go straight to the hospital when they listened to my heart after I went in all concerned that my heart was skipping beats and then beating double to catch up. I went in, told them I'd had Pfizer, they were all quite happy then to say it was a vaccine side effect, put it in my medical records, give me a scan etc, monitor me, see me weekly for an ecg.... but now they're all like "ooh, how strange, you're a bit young for heart issues to develop. What's that? Vaccine? No, definitely can't be, it doesn't do that."

"ooh, how strange, you're a bit young for heart issues to develop. What's that? Vaccine? No, definitely can't be, it doesn't do that."

Eh?!

Have you pointed out it is literally listed as a rare side effect in the information leaflet now? @JosephFrancis

I don't understand how or why any medical professional would say this when it has been categorically been proven.

@hangryyhippo it's the outpatients clinic I attend which now have this "no, definitely not the vaccine" line, but the cardiologist who attended me in A&E and saw me in follow up definitely said it was a vaccine side effect and definitely put that in my notes. I wonder if it's because it's still a problem a year later that they're saying it can't be the jab? Perhaps they see the carditis caused as an acute problem only