Vaccine injury ( not anti- vax)

[ArseInTheCoOpWindow]

My first 2 were AZ. No problems.

Had Moderna booster last year. 1 week after became really weak and exhausted (really weak and exhausted too weak to do anything) 5-6 months to return to health

Had Pfeizer booster 2 weeks ago. After a week, became so weak l couldn’t walk, and ended up in A and E. Since then I’ve lost my sense of smell, blinding headaches, weak as a kitten.

So, it seems that both vaccines have triggered some response. DH says he’s heard about people getting Long Covid from vaccines. DS who’s a journalist on national press says he’s heard of it too but ‘no one cares as they won’t be open about it’

Theres a subreddit with 5000 members, and l have found various things on it. It’s nickname is Spike Disease as it’s to do with the protein spike.

Does anyone else know anything? (please no anti vaxxers, I’m struggling enough as it is)

@Buzzinwithbez

but why are you not looking into the people behind the making of that video? They are not specialists - they are wedding video makers from Bristol. They have a highly controversial agenda - yet you are choosing to trust what you see there over the most highly qualified advice globally?

The makers of that video have been criticised for having their own agenda and making a profit from misinformation - yet that’s the same cry from anti vaxxers about ‘big pharma’.

Why do you assume what you see there is trustworthy and more trustworthy than consensus science which is - at least - regulated?

How do you know that they are not ‘cherry picking’ their own evidence - and that for every one person they feature - there are not millions more whose lives have been saved by the vaccine?

Oh god, is that who it is?
I was only yesterday reading about him and his treatments being widely discredited (again) from scientists and doctors pointing out that what he does in the name of his "theories" is bordering on criminal.
In fact, it was another poster doing the "I came across this on YT and it looks really interesting" on another vaccine thread posting the videos in an(other) attempt to persuade people not to be vaccinated.

There seems to be a lot of wide eyed “hope it’s ok to ask” type rubbish on these threads followed by a full onslaught of anti vaxx rubbish. I’m very sceptical.

I wish l was making it up but I’m not.

I watched it and those were my observations. I'm not sure which bit you think I shouldn't have taken on trust. Do you think these people have made up? It was very distressing to watch their plight.

There's plenty of evidence that suggests masks did very little to reduce Covid infection as you are no doubt well aware.

Here's one link but there are many others (none of which were written by Auntie Veda's hairdresser as far as I can tell!)

www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/do-masks-actually-work-the-best-studies-suggest-they-dont

It seems odd that you are so frightened of people having a mind of their own. What used to be called a difference of opinion now automatically gets labelled 'peddling untruths' and all kinds of unpleasant and unfounded slurs get hurled at anybody who dares to question anything. This kind of thought control is childish, unpleasant and largely responsible for a lot of the current distrust of Governments and Scientists. Huge damage has been done by the relentless barrage of nonsense 'peddled' by the Government behavioral scientists with their heavy handed and often inaccurate advertising campaigns. They should hang their heads in shame.

I chose not to have any covid vaccines because I thought risk of injury was way higher than my risk from covid. So pleased I made that choice.

Seeing how many people have struggled with their health after the vax is shocking. My dad was rushed to hospital with chest pains half an hour after his, and had to stay in for 5 days. Put my mum and dad off having any more

Do you think these people have made up? It was very distressing to watch their plight.

Definitely not @Buzzinwithbez

As has been said before - if someone says they have side effects they believe are from vaccination, this needs to be taken seriously, properly investigated, appropropriate treatment given, and reported to the MHRA etc.

This is completely seperate to a profit-making documentary made by Malhotra, which is just the next stage in him making a career out of being a disinformation campaigner (of which he has done pre-dating the pandemic).

"Safe and effective" is full of claims about the coronavirus vaccines that are simply not true. The statements he's making - that vaccination of the general population was a mistake, and that the programmes must be halted immediately - are not backed up by robust evidence and are rightly condemned by the medical community.

Yes - Malhortra, Campbell and Russell Brand have teamed up to be quite the trio in pushing & profiting from disinformation.

Their claims - and the fact there is no evidence base behind them - have been widely discussed on MN.

This actively harms people like the OP, because it completely muddies the waters in trying to identify genuine issues assoicated with vaccinated that need proper investigation.

When ‘having a mind of your own’ means peddling misinformation which is harmful - then yes it’s needs challenging. Much the same as racism needs challenging because it is harmful. Or child exploration. Or extremist ideology.

@nojudgementhere

Calling it a difference of opinion is disingenuous, a difference of opinion is whether someone thinks the milk goes in first or last when making a cup of tea. This is the equivalent of me arguing with Buzz Aldrin that the moon landings were faked. There are not two sides to this debate.

And like I said @Buzzinwithbez
for the one person that video features, there are many hundreds of thousands more who have been saved by the vaccine. It’s called cherry picking to suit an agenda and it’s called making a profit from misinformation and it’s called unqualified advice from poorly educated wedding photographers.

Oh God, here we go again @EmEllGee. At least you're consistent I suppose. Is there any hope of you actually sticking to the points raised without trying to accuse people of being racist/extremist etc. etc? It is fine to disagree with the points someone is making. It's really not necessary to call them nasty names or throw unfounded accusations at them.

I think its far more likely that you have covid and the tests are negative for whatever reason. I've known a few people this time round who have had symptoms and tested daily and not shown as positive until several days in

@Mapleapple - I have no idea which 'debate' you are comparing to faking the moon landings so you will have to be more specific please. There are lots of aspects of the Covid response that have grey areas / differences of opinion and in my view it is healthy to look at the way Governments responded and learn from mistakes made rather than trying to pretend everything was handled perfectly. Anyway we should probably be getting back to the point in hand which is supporting @ArseInTheCoOpWindow with her current situation rather than continuing to derail the thread.

No, it’s not like that though.

Had Moderna booster last year. 3 or 4 days of side effects. Day 6 couldn’t stop yawning and exhausted. Got weaker and weaker. Couldn’t walk for 5 months.

Had Pfiezer booster this year. 3 or 5 days of side effects. Day 6 my legs gave way.

Why would l suddenly get non positive Covid at exactly the same time after each vaccine? It doesn’t add up. Both with leg weakness and exhaustion? All within the space of less than a year?

l had Covid in April. It was quite mild.

I'm not sure why I'm being tagged for having commented that I watched something! My comments were about the people shown and the lack of solutions for them that has led to in some cases them searching for their own worrying solutions.

I decided that the government and media do not care about everyday people and their lives.

So I certainly was not going to accept a made for profit mystery chemical concoction funded by billionaires that say there are too many people on earth.

Too often when you point out things about vaccination that aren't true, it swoops into "well you agree with everything the government tells you, you sheep" etc etc

I fully agree with your first statement - but the rest isn't rational.

It isn't in our governments best interests to have the population sick or dead - they want people out spending their money and working. It costs money for them to roll out a vaccine programme of this size and detracts from other public health areas that need attention.

There is absolutely no rationale for pushing a vaccine that does more harm than good.

What was the advice presented in the film? I may have to watch it again, as I missed any health advice.

Hi OP.
I have had 5 vaccines. Practically no side-effects from the first 4. I contracted covid in July, coincidentally symptoms started the same day as i got my 5th vaccine.
I remember distinctly the headache starting as I drove in to get vaccine.
I got very ill in the following few days and put it all down to the vaccine side -effects , I did a few tests and all negative.
I kept testing frequently just in case as I am a health - professional so had to for work.
Eventually tested positive for Covid a few days in. I encountered several people with same story , not testing positive despite very obvious covid symptoms.
Some never got a positive antigen but positive on PCR.
I was exhausted for weeks afterwards and not really 100% for a few months.
I think the variant most prevalent around that time here definitely seemed to have a different ( much lower) positivity rate on antigen testing ,than the previous variants which were showing up positive tests on completely assymptomatic people.Frankly I lost faith in reliability of antigen testing around this time when my own sister was literally bedbound with covid symptoms and testing negative ,positive only with PCR.
If i had not been so regularly and frequently testing for days because of my job , 100% I would have missed the diagnosis and would have blamed vaccine for my illness and long fatigue.
Perhaps getting a blood test done for antibodies might help you to ascertain if you actually had Covid , and this would help in treating your symptoms and restoring you to full health. Wishing you a speedy and full recovery 🙂

Can gp test for antibodies?

Although I’m not sure it would happen twice with the same time scales. I felt fine when l went for the vaccines.