Vaccine injury ( not anti- vax)

[ArseInTheCoOpWindow]

My first 2 were AZ. No problems.

Had Moderna booster last year. 1 week after became really weak and exhausted (really weak and exhausted too weak to do anything) 5-6 months to return to health

Had Pfeizer booster 2 weeks ago. After a week, became so weak l couldn’t walk, and ended up in A and E. Since then I’ve lost my sense of smell, blinding headaches, weak as a kitten.

So, it seems that both vaccines have triggered some response. DH says he’s heard about people getting Long Covid from vaccines. DS who’s a journalist on national press says he’s heard of it too but ‘no one cares as they won’t be open about it’

Theres a subreddit with 5000 members, and l have found various things on it. It’s nickname is Spike Disease as it’s to do with the protein spike.

Does anyone else know anything? (please no anti vaxxers, I’m struggling enough as it is)

Never really understand what people mean when they say ‘they’ aren’t open about it.

I have to report all adverse reactions to vaccines. Adverse reactions occur to any and all pharmaceutical products. It is a normal part of medicine to treat people who have had adverse reactions to a pharmaceutical product. I’m concerned but perhaps not entirely surprised but that your son works as a journalist yet has no grasp of this. The scientific knowledge of the average journalist is non-existent.

Its nonsense ‘woo’ unregulated non-evidence based practitioners preying on vulnerable and gullible people who have no process for reporting, studying or analyzing adverse reactions.

Have a look at Oracle films, safe & effective, a second opinion.

@KarmaisaBitch23 - what an unnecessarily nasty and vindictive post. I see you name changed for it too. Cowardly.

@KarmaisaBitch23

Interesting…..

l had a different name 2 years ago.
lve never used terms like Covid Denier, or… hang on just need to check….’tin hat theory conspiracist….. ‘

Anyway, I’ve reported. I don’t even understand what you’re talking about.

We've all reported I imagine @ArseInTheCoOpWindow
With the rollout of the boosters the long standing anti-vaxxers are all back scattergunning MN.
This one is too cowardly to post under their real username or is one of the numerous lie spreaders that was banned back in the day.

@Buzzinwithbez (love the name!)

Ive watched some of it. It’s quite interesting, I’m allergic to everything, so it’s no suprise to me.

She also sent that lovely post via my inbix, which I’ve also reported!

@Roselilly36 ove tried to find Oracle films but could only find a trailer on YouTube.

How rare do they say it is?
I mean, myocarditis was detected in young men, US data found it happened in something like 100 in 1 million (or 1 in 10,000). The increased risk of narcolepsy is ~ 1 in 18,400 doses (swine flu jab) in children. Blood clot risk was quickly detected for some types of covid vaccine, uk data suggest risk might be 1 in 118,000.

How rare is this mimicry thing that it's still too hard to recognise, yet it can still be confidently "known" by journalist offspring?

I had no respiratory symptoms when I had Covid - just exhausted and weak and aching. Felt more like flu.

I think ds was having a joke when he said no one cares! He works on national media and has done Covid for 2 years. He was saying that it is heard of but no one has picked it up in the media, because people are bored of Covid. I’ve asked him to do a report on it, and he’s going to ask his boss.

Dh had also heard of it, even though l hadn’t. I think it’s probably rarer than the heart problems. Bit mainly it’s not as easy to clarify. A young person getting heart problems is a red flag. A middle aged women getting an assortment of Covid symptoms is easy to dismiss as menopausal or similar.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

You do realise that the film link you were advised to watch is by filmmakers linked to conspiracy theories/qanon etc etc. It’s not healthy or helpful to you, and it infuriates me that people will prey on the vulnerable to push an agenda.

You get health advice from the NHS - or you go for consensus medical opinion. Public health would be serverly compromised if we continually focus on fringe science, unverified research, pseudoscience, anecdotal evidence, hunches and unregulated YouTube videos. You go for the most robust, thoroughly researched science.

I am at a complete loss for words for those who continually push misinformation. It is just complete and utter deluded arrogance - believing that your medical knowledge is superior because you’ve watched a highly controversial unregulated ‘film’. You do realise there are those out there with far right agenda who have welcomed a ‘cull’ due to the pandemic and have very little care towards the needs of the vulnerable. They are often the creators of these thinktanks and films.

Oracle Films is owned by a Bristol wedding videographer. So we should take his word over the most esteemed professors of virology and immunology worldwide right?? It’s just absolute lunacy. I actually think misinformation - and deliberately peddling misinformation should be criminalised. It’s stupid, arrogant and harmful to others.

Yes, the same happened to one of the dads at school. He's now been left with a life long immunity condition. Was previously healthy.

NHS have admitted it was the vaccine but they can't or won't do anything about it.

Had he applied for the vaccine compensation scheme?@tonystarksrighthand

What's the name of the chronic immune disorder he now has?

Why wouldn't the NHS treat it?

If you developed say, lupus, after vaccination, doctors would treat it just as they would any other lupus patient and what it was caused by wouldn't play into it.

I think the idea that there's some mystery specific disease caused by coronavirus vaccines is an unhelpful narrative. Vaccines can cause side effects and in rare cases cause specific disorders (e.g, carditis), but then you are treated for what you have.

Public health would be serverly compromised if we continually focus on fringe science, unverified research, pseudoscience, anecdotal evidence, hunches and unregulated YouTube videos.

Unfortunately public health has been severely compromised by following 'the science' too. You only need to read some of the heartbreaking stories on the other current Mumsnet thread about how lockdown and other Covid mitigations have destroyed people's lives to see that. Also some of the 'misinformation' people were accused of spreading (i.e. about vaccines not stopping transmission/masks not stopping infection etc.) is now acknowledged to be true which is why labelling alternative opinions 'misinformation' is arrogant and wrong. The kind of vitriolic responses from certain posters on this thread show that debate is still being shut down with stock accusations that anybody who doesn't 100% agree with the official narrative must be a raving right wing Nazi! It's upsetting to see that things haven't moved on for some people.

I'm really sorry to hear you're unwell @ArseInTheCoOpWindow and hope you get better soon.

I was left with chronic fatigue syndrome for 6 months after the first booster.

There was no treatment for it until l had had it for enough time to be referred to a specialist. I recovered before that happened.

At the moment, I seem to be going through every Covid symptom except the respiratory/ cough ones. Currently got dry eyes, bad headaches and really vivid dreams! This has replaced sneezing, insomnia and general aching. Loss of smell still there.

I would take "safe and effective" with a healthy pinch of salt @ArseInTheCoOpWindow and anyone else watching it.

It's Aseem Malhotra's project - and is just more of the same if you've previously read his commentary article published in insulin resistance. It's full of errors and wild claims not based in fact. He is clamouring for an end to all coronavirus vaccine programmes worldwide, and claims vaccination was a mistake - something refuted by the huge amounts of data showing it not to be the case.

It's deeply frustrating because the patients he speaking for, and those he includes in it, need representation from credible doctors, not someone just using them to push an agenda.

Could you push for the CFS referal again? It sounds like that would be the most helpful for what you're experiencing.

What about neurology too? I think it would be good to get the weakness checked out properly, although I know appointments with them are like hen's teeth.

I just worry a lot of people are having things dismissed as either long COVID or vaccine side effects, when it could be nothing to do with either! Regardless of whatever is causing your symptoms, you need proper investigations done

@nojudgementhere

I also think it’s upsetting that posters haven’t moved on from peddling untruths much as you’ve done in your post there about masks:

A separate study, conducted by the University of Edinburgh, also suggested that wearing a face covering could help reduce the spread of coronavirus from people who are carriers. The research showed that wearing a covering over the mouth and nose can reduce the forward distance travelled by an exhaled breath by more than 90 per cent.

Oxford University’s Leverhulme Centre for Demographic Science, published a study, with the message: “Cloth face coverings, even homemade masks made of the correct material, are effective in reducing the spread of COVID-19 – for the wearer and those around them” and warned “face masks and coverings work – act now”.

And I’ll say it again - anecdotal evidence on a social media platform DOES NOT some how ‘trump’ data that has been robustly tested, quantified, reviewed, research, regulated and analysed by experts.

imagine if we all took our medical advice from Auntie Veda’s hairdresser who has a ‘hunch’. And while I don’t think her hairdresser is a ‘raving nazi’ - she probably watched a couple of YouTube clips without doing ANY research into the makers of the clip.

Another study used high-speed video to track droplets and found even holding a washcloth over the mouth was effective in blocking the droplets (similarly a microbiologist shared photographs of bacteria culture spread with and without a mask).

An international report published in The Lancet, which analysed data from 172 studies in 16 countries, found that by wearing a face mask there is just a three per cent chance of catching COVID-19. And a study by Cambridge University, says even basic homemade masks can reduce transmission – and could even help prevent a second wave.

It just sickens me that someone here has posted with a potential concern - so you see an opportunity to throw some unverified, highly controversial video at her - rather than seek proper medical attention. It is just so deluded and harmful.

I watched the video mentioned. The plight of the people who have been injured by the vaccine is heartbreaking. What struck me was that they were having to seek alternatives, some of which sounded far more based on hope than anything that might really help. I think that was the most painful bit - what is our medical system doing for them? Hopefully they're not piling on additional harm, other than the financial cost. Don't get me wrong, I had my own chronic illness many years ago now, for which there was a nutritional solution, so I'm not closed to alternatives that are based on healthy lifestyle changes.

I wish there was more support and I was hopeful that with the appearance of long covid, there'd also be more help for other illnesses that seem to have many people floundering in the dark. ie M.E., EDS and so on, but we just seem to keep doing as we've always done and hoping for different results. It is concerning that things are brushed off as long covid or vaccine side effects. Regardless of the assumed cause, there ought to be investigation.