Has anyone seen the 1,000 peer reviewed medical papers about vaccine injuries.

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community.covidvaccineinjuries.com/compilation-peer-reviewed-medical-papers-of-covid-vaccine-injuries/

Would this influence anyone from getting the next booster?

Gah - they don't. Please link any credible clinician who is recommending this regime.

There are plenty of scammers - like people in FLCCC, HART etc, but they've been categorically proven to be using the pandemic as a money making scheme.

Yes, being deficient may lead to you being more susceptible to infectious diseases in general, but it's already recommended that people with symptoms of a deficiency have a blood test. This isn't specific to COVID.

@Hiheyho

And even if there was good evidence these sorts of regimes were beneficial in reducing COVID severity, this wouldn't replace the need for vaccination.

Vitamin D ( accompanied by other elements of a healthy diet) is used as a preventative. It can only assist if you are already deficient. It isn't used as part of a treatment regime for Covid. Taking large amounts of Vitamin D over a long period of time can be harmful.

Professional Dr’s?

i only see amateur ones. That must be where I’m going wrong…

I’m deficient, many others are and thousands are as well but they don’t know they are, as you cannot get a blood test on nhs that easily

Sorry, but many people and doctors will disagree with you, I’ve had covid unvaccinated, had vaccine a Chinese one purely for a travel pass, had covid after that again, more severe than once I was unvaccinated.

This seems unrelated to your points about early intervention, but those kinds of posts always end up back to claims about vaccines being useless and/or dangerous.

Your anecdote doesn't trump the population level data we have from tens of thousands of people, replicated globally. Vaccination reduced chances of infection, serious illness and death when you compare large numbers of vaccinated versus unvaccinated people.

Sinovac was reported to have a much lower effectiveness than other vaccines (particular against later variants), which may have been why you didn't appear to see any benefit.

Why then Fauci said in 2004 the following regarding a flu and flu shot? Once you’ve had a respiratory illness, you are protected and don’t need a vax? Link

my triple vaxxed Dh first covid after was horrendous

I just can't.

You've made another unrelated claim, and are backing it up with a random youtube video with bits cut together of Fauci talking. I doubt he would've said that in 2004 because countries were offering annual flu vaccines at that point (and still are).

And a statement made in 2004 about a completely different virus is pretty irrelevant when we have current empirical evidence that reinfections are relatively common with coronavirus.

But the problem with these kinds of thread is there's an infinite number of random false claims people make, so this could go on forever (and probably will)

But the problem with these kinds of thread is there's an infinite number of random false claims people make, so this could go on forever (and probably will)

Precisely. There are mountains of this rubbish on anti-vax sites and social media groups, so the antivaccine Illuminati just put the shovel in and repost it wherever.

Despite the crude attempt to take Dr. Fauci's comments out of context, he clearly meant that if you've had the flu, you don't need the vaccine until the updated one comes out for the next flu season. Even back in 2004 they were making new trivalent vaccines every year because the flu is so mutagenic.

my triple vaxxed Dh first covid after was horrendous

Please stop with the anecdata. There's overwhelming evidence that the vaccine reduces severity and hospitalizations. What happened to your dh or uncle Fred or hairdresser is not relevant.

Effectiveness of 2, 3, and 4 COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine Doses Among Immunocompetent Adults During Periods when SARS-CoV-2 Omicron BA.1 and BA.2/BA.2.12.1 Sublineages Predominated — VISION Network, 10 States, December 2021–June 2022

Despite the crude attempt to take Dr. Fauci's comments out of context, he clearly meant that if you've had the flu, you don't need the vaccine until the updated one comes out for the next flu season. Even back in 2004 they were making new trivalent vaccines every year because the flu is so mutagenic - please provide them a full video of him saying that? If I have a flu in October 2022, the vax available in oct 2022 is made for a previous last year’s Older variant, so this is exactly what new bivalent vaccines are - they have one part of wuhan 2019 variant and late 21 variant, so have are they beneficial for me if, I’ve had covid in June 22? So shouldn’t everyone wait for a new updated one?

Is there a way of the Internet registering IP addresses being collated to do mental health checks and help with cult demobilisation

@Hiheyho

no acknowledgement of your previous four claims being wildly incorrect, just on to the next one eh?

Given that you wouldn't take up the offer of a booster even if it was possible to do real-time updates to the target genetic sequences used, this seems like a pointless question?

You don't want to be vaccinated and that's fine, but you can't expect people to not point out the things you're saying aren't true.

If I have a flu in October 2022, the vax available in oct 2022 is made for a previous last year’s Older variant,

You seem to be suffering from a case of the Dunning-Kruger effect. It's not that simple. Virus circulation in the southern hemisphere is surveilled during their winter, then those stains are considered for inclusion in the northern hemisphere vaccine.

Selecting Viruses for the Seasonal Influenza Vaccine

Each of these four vaccine virus components are selected based on the following:which flu viruses are making people sick prior to the upcoming flu season,

• the extent to which those viruses are spreading prior to the upcoming flu season,
• how well the previous season’s vaccines may protect against those flu viruses, and
• the ability of vaccine viruses to provide cross-protection against a range of related flu viruses of the same type or subtype/lineage.

There are currently 144 national influenza centers in over 114 countries that conduct year-round surveillance for flu viruses as part of the World Health Organization (WHO) Global Influenza Surveillance and Response System (GISRS).external icon This involves receiving and testing thousands of flu virus samples from patients. For human seasonal flu surveillance, the laboratories send representative viruses to five* of the seven WHO Collaborating Centers for Influenza, which are located in the following places:

new bivalent vaccines are - they have one part of wuhan 2019 variant and late 21 variant,

The bivalent MRNA vaccines in use the the US target the BA4 and BA5 Omicron variant, which has been the dominant strain this year. Apparently approval for these is coming shortly in Europe. I'd don't know which version is currently approved in the UK.

Adapted vaccine targeting BA.4 and BA.5 Omicron variants and original SARS-CoV-2 recommended for approval

No one has ever denied there are dangers to vaccines. That's why there has always been a vaccine compensation body.

The reality is simply that one death/injury from a vaccine is better then 1000s from the disease. The internet is full of people who can't look at things in context.

Before anti-vax flat earth was very popular. It's gone very quiet now, but you can still find those saying "ah so you believe the gov then...."

Just booked my UK over 50 4th booster! I am pleased about this as I really can't afford a week in bed and then weeks of fatigue again this winter.

Okay, but even then, Vit D supplementation can only assist in the development of overall health. It isn't a treatment in itself.

The reality is simply that one death/injury from a vaccine is better then 1000s from the disease. The internet is full of people who can't look at things in context

not as simple when the harms are borne by the young and the benefits enjoyed by the elderly. I don’t consider this a fair trade-off at all. I don’t care if you call me ageist for it, either.

@BerriesOnTop - That is a very simplistic view. This is a global pandemic, it’s affects everyone. If we just vaccinated the elderly, they’d keep catching covid because as a society we wouldn’t be sufficiently suppressing it, and even with a vaccine it would still be a significant number in hospital. Many more than we saw even with mass vaccination. Having been pregnant during 2020 I struggled to get anywhere near proper prenatal care as the whole NHS turned its resources towards covid. Women couldn’t access smears or mammograms, cancers were left untreated far longer than they should have been. I couldn’t even get an asthma check for nearly 2 years.

We also know at a population level the vaccine lowers the risk of all ages getting covid severely or ending up in hospital. Without it, younger people would need longer off work leading to even more supply chain/productivity issues. Covid affected younger people in more ways than just getting ill and it would be going on for many more years.

I agree this pandemic has robbed lots of people of 2 years of their life. My friend spent the last year of her life in isolation because of Covid. My child didn’t see anyone but our bubble without a mask for nearly 8 months, didn’t get to go to any baby groups etc until 18m. But it wasn’t a sacrifice for the elderly. It was for society as a whole. I now live my life normally again, and was lucky enough no one I love died of covid. I am very grateful to the vaccine for that.

If we make hospitals unsafe, because of high transmission and no masking or distancing policies, then cancer becomes unsafe to treat.

For if you are on cancer treatment, or in the period immediately following, you need to do the current version of shielding. So, diagnosis leads you to isolation (because all indoors places where people are mask-free risk your death, directly from covid or indirectly because your chemo might need postponing if you have any sign of infection)

Government refuses to supply Evusheld, which would put those who are severely immune suppressed (whether from cancer, or some other cause) on a similar risk footing as a typical vaccinated adult. If they did, it would be back to the status quo ante of infection precaution, rather than something akin to lockdown levels of isolation

I agree this pandemic has robbed lots of people of 2 years of their life

You're using the wrong tense.

Think about the total size of The Queue across all its days. 250,000 according to many estimates

Now double that.

And that's the number of people who are still being robbed

We're the only country which has made a decision on the use of Evusheld that has refused to supply it. The government could change that, and end the appalling isolation of the most vulnerable of all ages including children

@nether - forgive my ignorance as I have the luxury of not dealing with this, but hasn’t that level of precaution always been necessary during/just post chemo? Or is it that the levels of covid are higher than other illnesses base level of infection at the moment?

This is a global pandemic, it’s affects everyone

It doesn’t affect everyone equally, we know who is vulnerable and who is not.

If we just vaccinated the elderly, they’d keep catching covid because as a society we wouldn’t be sufficiently suppressing it

If we just vaccinate the elderly and the vulnerable, then yes, we’d be sufficiently repressing the worst cases among the target populations.

Having been pregnant during 2020 I struggled to get anywhere near proper prenatal care as the whole NHS turned its resources towards covid. Women couldn’t access smears or mammograms, cancers were left untreated far longer than they should have been. I couldn’t even get an asthma check for nearly 2 years

Hospitals needlessly shut down in preparation for an onslaught that never happened. Now many more will die because they didn’t get timely cancer diagnosis because hospitals delayed or cancelled appointments. Absolute disgrace, it should never have happened but I’m afraid they won’t learn

Without it, younger people would need longer off work leading to even more supply chain/productivity issues. Covid affected younger people in more ways than just getting ill and it would be going on for many more years

Supply chain issues are not due to sick younger people. When I got Covid, I had to home quarantine for 10 days due to the rules at that time. I was sick for one. We should have just stuck to the whole ‘if you’re sick stay home’ instead of absolutely stupid and arbitrary rules that aren’t proven to work, but are done because public health needs to be seen as ‘doing something’.

My child didn’t see anyone but our bubble without a mask for nearly 8 months, didn’t get to go to any baby groups etc until 18m

You should be angry at the people who did this to you, it was completely unnecessary.

I now live my life normally again, and was lucky enough no one I love died of covid. I am very grateful to the vaccine for that

Vaccine is good for those who needed it. Sure. But you are complicit in harming the younger generation if you don’t see how unnecessary it all was, you still believe all these sacrifices helped.

It doesn’t affect everyone equally, we know who is vulnerable and who is not.

I am talking about wider than just getting ill.

If we just vaccinate the elderly and the vulnerable, then yes, we’d be sufficiently repressing the worst cases among the target populations.

1 vaccines are not perfect so even the vaccinated can still need hospital treatment just at lower levels. The more covid = the more chance of getting it. It’s also a numbers game, even if only 1% of under 65s need hospital treatment that number is huge across a population.

Hospitals needlessly shut down in preparation for an onslaught that never happened. Now many more will die because they didn’t get timely cancer diagnosis because hospitals delayed or cancelled appointments. Absolute disgrace, it should never have happened but I’m afraid they won’t learn

It definitely wasn’t needless. My DH works in a hospital. Wards were full. Whole corridors sealed off as a red zone. Operating theatres were turned into covid wards. The staff were sent daily emails of capacity. It was full for months.

Supply chain issues are not due to sick younger people. When I got Covid, I had to home quarantine for 10 days due to the rules at that time. I was sick for one. We should have just stuck to the whole ‘if you’re sick stay home’ instead of absolutely stupid and arbitrary rules that aren’t proven to work, but are done because public health needs to be seen as ‘doing something’.

So you stay home for one day, go back, spread it and then more people are off? Not just for one day but 5 or more.

You should be angry at the people who did this to you, it was completely unnecessary.

I am angry at the Chinese government for trying to cover it up for so long. I am angry at our governments slow and shambolic response. I am grateful I didn’t get covid whilst pregnant due to lockdown, I am grateful my family remained intact. It was necessary.

Vaccine is good for those who needed it. Sure. But you are complicit in harming the younger generation if you don’t see how unnecessary it all was, you still believe all these sacrifices helped.

The only people complicit in harming the younger generations is people spreading misinformation and half truths about vaccines. When we suddenly start seeing children dying from polio or measles again I hope the anti vaxxers and covid deniers think it was worth it.