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Do you think the NHS will really fire all unvaccinated staff?

333 replies

IncompleteSenten · 20/01/2022 10:39

I just can't bring myself to believe that will happen. Surely it must be bully boy tactics and at the last minute they'll back down.

The NHS can barely cope now. How the hell is it going to cope with, what? 80,000-100,00 fewer staff?

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WouldIBeATwat · 22/01/2022 11:12

If the jobs still existed they weren’t redundant.

More likely they were dismissed with a settlement.

WouldIBeATwat · 22/01/2022 11:12

@ancientgran

I wonder how accurate the numbers are? 70,000 but are some in roles where they don't need the vaccine, have any of the 70,000 now been vaccinated, are any of the 70,000 in the process of complying i.e. have had one jab but still showing as not qualified to keep their jobs.

It would be interesting to see a breakdown.

They would only be reporting on those needing the vaccine (ie in regulated activity roles)
Tink51971 · 22/01/2022 13:16

I admit I have not read all the posts yet.

I would personally would not believe the figures quoted in the press, my reason for this is that our local paper said the trust I work for would be sacking a certain number of staff. In a briefing this week the trust said it was half the amount quoted in the press ( the true amount was less than 50), and then on Friday a colleague who I know has had all 3 vaccinations got the dreaded email to say she has not been vaccinated, so that will bring the figures down even more.

Also in my trust is affects all those that come into potential contact with patients which includes contractors coming onto the premises, volunteers etc, so all guidance is to change in regards to third parties working in our trust. The trust will look at redeployment for those who do not want the vaccine first and if this is not possible then unfortunately they will be given their notice.

As other have said people need their 1st vaccine by 3rd Feb.

JSL52 · 22/01/2022 13:23

@Whatisthepointinthis GP surgeries are private businesses

User387598621 · 22/01/2022 13:24

It's just a shambles, I'm already resigned to have to pay to go privately for non essential medical stuff, I'm sure I'm not alone in this

ancientgran · 22/01/2022 14:08

@WouldIBeATwat

If the jobs still existed they weren’t redundant.

More likely they were dismissed with a settlement.

No I know people who work there and people who have left. They had to go for redeployment and if there wasn't a suitable post they were made redundant.
WouldIBeATwat · 22/01/2022 14:08

Well that’s a pretty big drip feed. Hmm

ancientgran · 22/01/2022 14:09

@Tink51971

I admit I have not read all the posts yet.

I would personally would not believe the figures quoted in the press, my reason for this is that our local paper said the trust I work for would be sacking a certain number of staff. In a briefing this week the trust said it was half the amount quoted in the press ( the true amount was less than 50), and then on Friday a colleague who I know has had all 3 vaccinations got the dreaded email to say she has not been vaccinated, so that will bring the figures down even more.

Also in my trust is affects all those that come into potential contact with patients which includes contractors coming onto the premises, volunteers etc, so all guidance is to change in regards to third parties working in our trust. The trust will look at redeployment for those who do not want the vaccine first and if this is not possible then unfortunately they will be given their notice.

As other have said people need their 1st vaccine by 3rd Feb.

That's the sort of thing I was thinking.
2boysDad · 22/01/2022 14:22

Whatisthepointinthis:

Most of our staff are uncomfortable with mandatory vaccinations, but as far as I know we are all vaccinated anyway.

It’s difficult because although I am uncomfortable with the policy, I am fully behind the vaccine and feel a bit cross with those staff who decide not to get it done.

I feel that many will dig their heels in now and cut off their noses to spite their faces, rather than just get the vaccine so it will be counterproductive. And if the government do a u turn, how will those staff feel who had the vaccine but didn’t want it?

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Thanks for the response - yes it's a minefield and I admit my dept might be an outlier in it's "militancy".

Will be interesting to see what does happen in less than two weeks.

Luredbyapomegranate · 22/01/2022 14:28

Nah, they’ll just move the goal posts

Most likely they will hold to it with new staff

WouldIBeATwat · 22/01/2022 15:00

I don’t think they’ve time to change the law now.

ToooutThere · 22/01/2022 15:41

No, it's not going to happen and you can tell by the way we're being prepped right now, i.e. dropping covid restrictions one after another by end of March.

Once that happens, the narrative to enforce vaccinations for any job just crumbles. The govt won't have a foot to stand on.

SecretDoor · 22/01/2022 15:45

I am one of the people in the unvaccinated statistics despite being fully vaccinated. This is because I use my maiden name at work and my married name on my NHS records . The HR dept of my work place are really struggling to cope with this and I am getting repeated letter/emails which I have repeatedly responded to. They have copies of my NHS pass , and my marriage certificate but they cannot seem to connect the dots, in the letters I am being warned that I will not have a job in April.
My line manager is now involved and whilst I fully expect this will be sorted out eventually, it is very annoying and I suspect I am not the only NHs staff member with this issue.

WouldIBeATwat · 22/01/2022 15:45

They have their own LEGISLATION to stand on.

WouldIBeATwat · 22/01/2022 15:47

@SecretDoor

I am one of the people in the unvaccinated statistics despite being fully vaccinated. This is because I use my maiden name at work and my married name on my NHS records . The HR dept of my work place are really struggling to cope with this and I am getting repeated letter/emails which I have repeatedly responded to. They have copies of my NHS pass , and my marriage certificate but they cannot seem to connect the dots, in the letters I am being warned that I will not have a job in April. My line manager is now involved and whilst I fully expect this will be sorted out eventually, it is very annoying and I suspect I am not the only NHs staff member with this issue.
I still don’t understand why women still take on all this utterly unnecessary, extremely sexist name changing bollocks. Is life not complex enough already?
Thelastbattle · 22/01/2022 15:48

@ToooutThere

No, it's not going to happen and you can tell by the way we're being prepped right now, i.e. dropping covid restrictions one after another by end of March.

Once that happens, the narrative to enforce vaccinations for any job just crumbles. The govt won't have a foot to stand on.

I hope it doesn't happen because it will be a shitshow. And whilst I think anyone who works in the NHS who's not vaccinated is an idiot, I'm not a fan of mandating vaccines for anyone in this manner. But we are starting dismissal proceedings next week (3 Feb) for all our unvaccinated staff as that is the last day possible for them to get their first vaccine. And what we are being told is that it is impossible for the government to change things at this stage. So, even though I've been saying for months that they will do a u turn (because they always do), our lawyers are telling us that that is not possible.
LoudSnoringDog · 22/01/2022 21:20

I'm an nhs manager and received a list that indicated I had 70 staff unvaccinated. It was massively incorrect. There will be approx 12-15 from my service who will not have the vaccine and in all honesty, most of them should have considered leaving healthcare a long time ago.

User387598621 · 22/01/2022 21:33

It sounds such a shambles and that some poor people might get dismissed by mistake if the lists of people are wrong

LoudSnoringDog · 22/01/2022 22:05

@User387598621

It sounds such a shambles and that some poor people might get dismissed by mistake if the lists of people are wrong
Completely agree. Such a mess
Babyroobs · 22/01/2022 23:27

I attended a HCA recruitment drive at our local NHS trust, was offered a job on the spot. I overheard the recruitment team saying that 83 had been through the doors just this morning.
It was only when I got home that dh said he wondered if it was to get people in place for when they fire people. To be honest it hadn't crossed my mind.

ToooutThere · 22/01/2022 23:37

@Babyroobs did you have to declare your vaccination status?

Babyroobs · 22/01/2022 23:37

[quote ToooutThere]@Babyroobs did you have to declare your vaccination status?[/quote]
Yes i was asked and fortunately had my vaccination cards with me. they took the dates of all 3 jabs down.

Babyroobs · 22/01/2022 23:41

[quote ToooutThere]@Babyroobs did you have to declare your vaccination status?[/quote]
They literally just had loads of people walking in, ten minute interview, very easy questions and were just offering people jobs on the spot, asked what ward and hospital you wanted to work on and slotted in with a start date in march. I was completely caught off guard by being offered a job there and then. I let my registration lapse about three years ago and they were also saying if I wanted to try to get my RN pin back they could help with that too. I just remember thinking it was odd how desperate they seemed to be to get people to sign up. After reading this thread I can see why !

Carrienova · 23/01/2022 15:06

it is true that NHS trusts' lists of unvaccinated staff are very inaccurate and include fully vaccinated staff who had their vaccines done at places other than their current place of work. For some reason, HR thought that just using the list of who had had the vaccine on hospital premises would be accurate, not understanding that some people worked elsewhere a year ago or maybe had their vaccines in community vaccination programmes etc.

It was better organised in care home, where staff had to use the NHS App to generate proof of full vaccination (since this was based on medical records rather than staffing records it was more accurate).

I have no idea why the NHS didn't use their own app to get staff to generate proof of vaccination (it is good enough for international travel after all).

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