Do you think the NHS will really fire all unvaccinated staff?

[IncompleteSenten]

I just can't bring myself to believe that will happen. Surely it must be bully boy tactics and at the last minute they'll back down.

The NHS can barely cope now. How the hell is it going to cope with, what? 80,000-100,00 fewer staff?

Thank fuck for that.

01s1h2o3na

The reason I believe the vast majority of NHS staff support this policy is because I work in an NHS hospital and this is the view of my colleagues. It came up in conversation during Christmas drinks last year. 100% support.

And yes, other staff might have different views but I haven't yet spoken to a single colleague who disagrees with this policy.

It doesn't make any sense. Triple vaccinated are dropping like flies with Covid (mild or not).

@User135644

It doesn't make any sense. Triple vaccinated are dropping like flies with Covid (mild or not).

Not the ones I know.

Will believe a suspension is likely when it's reported in the right wing UK populist press that is the first port of call for leaks with a realistic timetable for changing the Regulations. Until then, still processing central requests for patients' exemption requests and reviewing at our employees' status. Will not be offering 'generous settlements' to any who have chosen not to be vaccinated to avoid a tribunal for following legislation.

@Itsnotover You must not know many people, I’m triple vaccinated as if my fiancée, we both currently have covid, my parents are triple vaccinated they both had covid before Xmas, most of my department who have had covid in the past few months (of which there are many) are triple vaccinated too.

@GreatBigBeautifulTommorow it is not an NHS decision, they have no choice. It’s a government decision/law.

Yes, it's a government decision, but will no doubt have been taken in consultation with NHS management and with NHS management consent.

And thankfully it looks like it will be paused now. And then hopefully kicked where it belongs: into the long grass.

@2boysDad

01s1h2o3na

The reason I believe the vast majority of NHS staff support this policy is because I work in an NHS hospital and this is the view of my colleagues. It came up in conversation during Christmas drinks last year. 100% support.

And yes, other staff might have different views but I haven't yet spoken to a single colleague who disagrees with this policy.

Have a

"Yes, it's a government decision, but will no doubt have been taken in consultation with NHS management and with NHS management consent."

It might be worth having some doubt. It's a political decision made by politicians and does not require the consent of officials. That's not the way the UK government works.

Dubious decision making…

@EssexLioness

Yes it will happen. DH is a GP and senior partner at his practice. They sought legal advice from a lawyer last week as he doesn’t want to and wanted to know exactly where they stood. It is a legal requirement so they had no choice, however staff can still potentially sue them for unfair dismissal, even though it is not their fault but the government. So they have been advised to put together a generous leaving package for those concerned in agreement that they won’t sue.

I’ve never heard of anyone in the nhs getting a generous leaving package especially in these circumstances! I call bs!

@2boysDad

01s1h2o3na

The reason I believe the vast majority of NHS staff support this policy is because I work in an NHS hospital and this is the view of my colleagues. It came up in conversation during Christmas drinks last year. 100% support.

And yes, other staff might have different views but I haven't yet spoken to a single colleague who disagrees with this policy.

Most of our staff are uncomfortable with mandatory vaccinations, but as far as I know we are all vaccinated anyway.

It’s difficult because although I am uncomfortable with the policy, I am fully behind the vaccine and feel a bit cross with those staff who decide not to get it done.

I feel that many will dig their heels in now and cut off their noses to spite their faces, rather than just get the vaccine so it will be counterproductive. And if the government do a u turn, how will those staff feel who had the vaccine but didn’t want it?

Some of the papers are reporting a pause, bit of a kick in the teeth for care workers who were just told to fuck off

It's described as jabs u turn talks in the I

i think there has to be a u turn
there has to continue to be a choice

I hope they do a u turn. I would be happy to be treated with someone who had covid that no one at all.

I do think they also need to review care workers and compensate those forced out of a job.

I think the media should be more responsible and stop reporting on guesses and what might happen. They need to stick to facts.

This could be really confusing and if it doesn’t get paused many people could read this, not get jabbed, then end up losing their job.

I think the problem is that people only imagine the NHS as nurses treating those with emergency physical health conditions.
What about

• mental health staff

-admin

• social workers
• housekeepers
• those who work in the community

According to our trust they all have to have the vaccine. I see one patient a week for two hours, not in close contact and I wear mask and shield (for my own protection.) Patient can go into the community and catch covid from anywhere. They can refuse the vaccine. Yet i have to have the vaccine. In a few months I expect another HCP could treat them having had covid a few days ago and yet i couldn't unless I have had the vaccine. In my trust if our main place of work is the hospital we have to have the vaccine.

@LeafPrintWrapDressMum

I think the problem is that people only imagine the NHS as nurses treating those with emergency physical health conditions. What about

• mental health staff

-admin

• social workers
• housekeepers
• those who work in the community

According to our trust they all have to have the vaccine. I see one patient a week for two hours, not in close contact and I wear mask and shield (for my own protection.) Patient can go into the community and catch covid from anywhere. They can refuse the vaccine. Yet i have to have the vaccine. In a few months I expect another HCP could treat them having had covid a few days ago and yet i couldn't unless I have had the vaccine. In my trust if our main place of work is the hospital we have to have the vaccine.

The legislation is clear that any patient-facing/role undertaking registered activity is covered. Doesn’t matter how much time is spent doing it.

compensation for care staff who left is a step too far

@WouldIBeATwat do you know how hard it is to recruit? We've put the same advert out three times with no applicants even suitable for interview. This impacts way more on patients than vaccination status.

[quote LeafPrintWrapDressMum]@WouldIBeATwat do you know how hard it is to recruit? We've put the same advert out three times with no applicants even suitable for interview. This impacts way more on patients than vaccination status.[/quote]
I do, indeed.

Also a government under-funding issue. It’s almost as if they want the NHS to collapse. 🤔

@Zilla1

"Yes, it's a government decision, but will no doubt have been taken in consultation with NHS management and with NHS management consent."

It might be worth having some doubt. It's a political decision made by politicians and does not require the consent of officials. That's not the way the UK government works.

I agree @Zilla1 total political government decision.

How can they pause/reverse the decision when they pushed ahead with the care sector irrespective of the massive issues it has caused discharging patients back to community
Real kick in the teeth to social care staff.

@MrsLargeEmbodied

compensation for care staff who left is a step too far

I know a company that made all non vaccinated staff redundant. So they did get compensation. I believe it was legal advice.

I wonder how accurate the numbers are? 70,000 but are some in roles where they don't need the vaccine, have any of the 70,000 now been vaccinated, are any of the 70,000 in the process of complying i.e. have had one jab but still showing as not qualified to keep their jobs.

It would be interesting to see a breakdown.