Do you think the NHS will really fire all unvaccinated staff?

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I just can't bring myself to believe that will happen. Surely it must be bully boy tactics and at the last minute they'll back down.

The NHS can barely cope now. How the hell is it going to cope with, what? 80,000-100,00 fewer staff?

www.bmj.com/content/362/bmj.k3872/rapid-responses .... an interesting discussion from back in 2018 regarding mandating flu vaccines amongst medics!

I have passed a protest today outside a hospital about the no jab no job they had a lot of support from people passing by. I totally support them.

I think it’s terrible how they are currently being treated and threatened with no job. It’s shocking.
Who would have thought 2 years ago that we would be where we are now about to sack people that the country really need.

I heard those stats (8% docs, 5% nurses, etc.) on the news on the radio this morning.

@s1h2o3na

"8% doctors 5% nurses 4% midwives unvaccinated."

this is what the other poster posted, if they can link their sources that would be helpful

If this is true, and the NHS is planning to get rid of them, it shows an absolute and utter lack of attention to the science as it stands today, and the sort of mismanagement of our national health system that causes it to be 'in crisis' on a regular basis anyway.

So if they scrap isolation a doctor will be able to go to work if they're actually positive with the virus but not if they haven't had a vaccine that doesn't stop you getting said virus. Makes perfect sense!

Also NHS staff.

This is not an NHS decision, it’s the Law, they have no choice.

Also happening in my trust. 1st jab by 3rd Feb, 2nd by 31st March or employment terminated.
Very few true non patient facing roles so limited option for redeployment.
Applies to support services, admin, porters, domestics etc.

It will go ahead.

In the end I don't think they will. The NHS is in a bad enough state as it is.
I can't understand why, if they thought unvaccinated NHS staff were such a danger, they've let them work with patients so long. We were all clapping them not so long ago.
Many of them worked without proper PPE. I don't know any that refused to come to work. They put patients first, yet now they could be kicked out the door.
I think the majority of the public are behind them. I know if I needed emergency hospital attention, I certainly wouldn't be checking their vaccination status.

@NearlyAlwaysInsane it is not an NHS decision, they have no choice. It’s a government decision/law.

@FlyLight

So if they scrap isolation a doctor will be able to go to work if they're actually positive with the virus but not if they haven't had a vaccine that doesn't stop you getting said virus. Makes perfect sense!

"So if they scrap isolation a doctor will be able to go to work if they're actually positive with the virus "

I rather doubt that a doctor who is actively ill with a transmissible disease will be allowed to work in an ITU dept and be in contact with vulnerable patients, that's always been a thing.

"but not if they haven't had a vaccine that doesn't stop you getting said virus"

The vaccines do not stop but do reduce the chances of someone passing on SARS-COV2. Any reduction in the chance of infection, even if small, can potentially save the life of a patient.

Patients come first.

In the real world, the vast majority of NHS staff agree with the mandatory vaccination policy. That's one of the reasons why it's happening and will be enforced on Feb 3rd.

Go back a year and people were quite envious of NHS staff getting their jabs, couldn't wait to join them. Now it is abuse. How things change.

Yes it will happen. DH is a GP and senior partner at his practice. They sought legal advice from a lawyer last week as he doesn’t want to and wanted to know exactly where they stood. It is a legal requirement so they had no choice, however staff can still potentially sue them for unfair dismissal, even though it is not their fault but the government. So they have been advised to put together a generous leaving package for those concerned in agreement that they won’t sue.

@EssexLioness

Yes it will happen. DH is a GP and senior partner at his practice. They sought legal advice from a lawyer last week as he doesn’t want to and wanted to know exactly where they stood. It is a legal requirement so they had no choice, however staff can still potentially sue them for unfair dismissal, even though it is not their fault but the government. So they have been advised to put together a generous leaving package for those concerned in agreement that they won’t sue.

No NHS staff will be getting any sort of settlement. It will be a SOSR dismissal with notice pay and that’s it.

It's a good job we have so many doctors that we can afford to lose 8 percent of them!

My trust already is. 2 people have left this week. Its happening. I'm not sure how I feel as I have a long term condition and don't want to be around colleagues who are unvaccinated. It's It's a tough one.

@jellymaker

My trust already is. 2 people have left this week. Its happening. I'm not sure how I feel as I have a long term condition and don't want to be around colleagues who are unvaccinated. It's It's a tough one.

Wont you be around patients that are also unvaccinated?

Media suggesting the decision could be paused.

mobile.twitter.com/UnityNewsNet/status/1484584687368642561?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet&fbclid=IwAR0W9M0lsWr6YM8BdSg0PkCTmEd80lD0TgStp-pZnt6t3bc5BdRFKHLrgzI

@UnityNewsNet
🚨BREAKING NEWS🚨

As we predicted Covid vaccine mandate for NHS staff set to be ‘paused’ by Government as reality of up to 100k workers losing their job dawns.

This looks to have been leaked to multiple MSM sources.

Well I always thought it would be. How on earth could they have managed if they lost that many staff.

Doesn't surprise me in the slightest, as I said early in the thread. They will do whatever they want, and the more pointless discussion it generates in the media that distracts from other things, the better.

[quote AlecTrevelyan006]@UnityNewsNet
🚨BREAKING NEWS🚨

As we predicted Covid vaccine mandate for NHS staff set to be ‘paused’ by Government as reality of up to 100k workers losing their job dawns.

This looks to have been leaked to multiple MSM sources.[/quote]
thank god, I hope the govt sees sense, all our unions have been calling for a pause. 2boysDad, i don't know why you think the "vast majority of NHS support mandatory vaccines". Come March we will have the ludicrous situation where mandated testing and self-isolation with Covid is scrapped so you are possibly going to have relatives/visitors or even employed staff with active covid symptoms coming onto the ward....if we get a vaccine that prevents infection and onwards transmission then fair enough, I can understand mandating it but thats not the case and I really can't understand why people aren't getting this.

@WouldIBeATwat well that’s what the solicitor advised them so the surgery have put together a settlement package based on the advice they received. Although it’s all up in the air now with the new announcement.
I don’t understand it all myself, just know what DH was advised and what they had planned to offer staff. GP surgeries are all private businesses so of course they will all be doing their own thing. Government have offered no practical advice, pretty much like the whole of covid really.

I am not saying it won't happen but that UNN website is not an unbiased source!

inews.co.uk/news/politics/covid-vaccine-mandate-nhs-staff-paused-government-workers-sacked-1416578

Good!