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that is one brave doctor

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MrsLargeEmbodied · 09/01/2022 09:20

to speak about not having the vaccination
www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/08/nhs-doctor-challenges-sajid-javid-over-covid-vaccination-rules

he has had a lot of support

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OneLove12 · 09/01/2022 10:11

@OrangeShark27

He does make some sense re the waning immunity but he doesn't explain why he doesn't want the vaccination

He says he doesn't want the vaccine because he has already has covid and still has antibodies.

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MrsLargeEmbodied · 09/01/2022 10:12

he is also young and fit

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OneLove12 · 09/01/2022 10:13

@Iwantthesummersun

Having covid is no get out of jail free card. Friends daughter has now tested positive for second time in two months.

Your friends daughter should not be testing again until after 90 days of first positive test.

noblegiraffe · 09/01/2022 10:14

@thecatfromjapan

I'm tired of this anti-vaccination stuff on MN.

It's beyond irresponsible.

I know.

If you compare where we were this January with no vaccines to this January despite much higher cases. We know that vaccines are protective against serious illness, hospitalisation and death, it's remarkable the difference they've made to the pandemic and some people would have you believe that they're useless.

The idea that you should prefer to catch covid to protect yourself against... catching covid is bizarre.

Minecraftlover · 09/01/2022 10:14

'We need as many people as possible to get vaccinated to get ourselves out of this mess'

Why?

The vaccines don't stop transmission. They go some way to reducing transmission, and arguably reduce the severity of illness. So yes, it appears to be in the best interests of older/vulnerable individuals to take the vaccines to protect themselves if they so wish.

However, for someone who is young fit and healthy, particularly when recovered from covid (such as myself), why on earth would it make sense to take a vaccine that has shown to induce serious side effects in some cases, and that only offers some protection for a very short time? The long term effects of these vaccines are still unknown and will remain so for many years. Many women have reported period changes. Many young male adults with heart issues. Some reports of neurological type issues. Of course anyone who feels the benefit outweighs the risk should take the vaccines. I personally do not feel for myself that the benefit outweighs the risk. I am also not willing to take the vaccines just to go on holiday or go to restaurants. I already live a very simple quiet life so feel I reduce transmission risks in many ways. Covid for me was incredibly mild and I am always careful for the sake of others around me.

Just my 2 pence. I respect anyone who disagrees.

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MrsLargeEmbodied · 09/01/2022 10:14

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_fourfm

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noblegiraffe · 09/01/2022 10:18

How much do you know about the long term effects of covid, Minecraft because your post there is awfully one-sided.

HaveringWavering · 09/01/2022 10:19

He doesn't appear to explain the downside. Even if he thinks it pointless for him as he has antibodies, why not just model responsible behaviour?

tigger1001 · 09/01/2022 10:20

"Your friends daughter should not be testing again until after 90 days of first positive test."

Unless they had symptoms.

HaveringWavering · 09/01/2022 10:21

He says he doesn't want the vaccine because he has already has covid and still has antibodies.

No, that is his reason for saying he doesn't think he NEEDS it.

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MrsLargeEmbodied · 09/01/2022 10:22

he doesnt believe it should be mandated, you normally have informed consent, but not in this case. he may take if covid was worse, his personal opinion - he is not vulnerable, he takes care of his health, he has probably been exposed to it while working, he admits the vaccine has made a huge difference and most patients have had risk factors, he has not seen a patient of his age and his health level present to icu, plus the vaccine is for 8 weeks, he had his antibody levels checked, he suggests there is a culture of intimidation that people cannot speak up - he is concerned that some units in nhs may have to close

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LethargicActress · 09/01/2022 10:23

@thecatfromjapan

I'm tired of this anti-vaccination stuff on MN.

It's beyond irresponsible.

It’s not just ‘anti vaccination stuff on MN’, as if you’re comparing it to MN’s LTB’s or something that only happens on here.

There is a huge, valid, debate to be had about mandatory vaccination when it means we are are about to lose many of the much needed NHS staff that everyone clapped and banged pots for a couple of years ago.

You can’t just dismiss this anymore as anti vax loony shit. If things are going to change so that people can’t just get on with quietly making their own medical choices anymore, then that is going to be talked about.

Turquoisesea · 09/01/2022 10:25

Why is he a fool? So say if he’s had an antibody test and has the same antibodies as somebody who has been triple vaccinated, shouldn’t that count for something? All he was saying is that natural infection is not being taken into account. And for those that say ICU is full of the unvaccinated you do know they are counting unboostered (but double or single jabbed) in those figures now. It would be interesting to see how many are in ICU having previously had covid. I really think all these shouts of him being a fool or irresponsible are counter productive and will do nothing to persuade people who are already worried about endless jabs. And he was saying about why he personally didn’t want the vaccine. He’s just rattled people because he’s a Doctor, no one would care if they had interviewed someone in the supermarket, they would just be labelled a stupid, irresponsible anti-vaxxer and that is the problem, no one can give a different point of view without being labelled as dangerous, anti-science etc. He was asked a question and he answered it in the context of mandatory vaccination for NHS staff.

OneLove12 · 09/01/2022 10:28

@HaveringWavering

He says he doesn't want the vaccine because he has already has covid and still has antibodies.

No, that is his reason for saying he doesn't think he NEEDS it.

Yes, so he is saying he doesn't want the vaccine because he thinks he doesn't need it as he already has antibodies

ancientgran · 09/01/2022 10:28

@LethargicActress

He was asked a question and he answered it honestly. Good for him. I wonder how many people that think he’s an idiot would still be very grateful for his help if they were in need of a consultant anaesthetist. The NHS can’t afford to lose its staff over this. We need them, and if the vaccines are that important, then we should be protected enough by our own not to be too worried about being treated by unvaccinated staff in a clean, hygienic hospital.
He wasn't asked was he? I thought a group of mainly/all women were asked and hesitated and he answered for them.
Minecraftlover · 09/01/2022 10:31

'Hardly bullying to point out he is wrong. Just because other fools support a fool doesn't make idiots suddenly wise'

I'm not sure I'd class a consultant anaesthetist as a fool tbh. Think he must have some brains in his head somewhere to make it to where he is today.

You seem quite arrogantly sure that you're right. Are you a vaccine expert? @AndAnotherNewOne

rwalker · 09/01/2022 10:31

The problem is is you start making exceptions where do you stop there will always be someone just the wrong side of the line .

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MrsLargeEmbodied · 09/01/2022 10:31

he is fit and healthy, and has not seen fit and healthy people in icu, where he has been working throughout covid

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HaveringWavering · 09/01/2022 10:31

Yes, so he is saying he doesn't want the vaccine because he thinks he doesn't need it as he already has antibodies

You're just repeating yourself @OneLove12. What is the downside to him of having a vaccine he doesn't need?

ClaudineClare · 09/01/2022 10:34

It is one man's opinion. A man with a private practice in "functional medicine". Sam White also has a private practice in "functional medicine". The Sam White who has had his licence to practice suspended and is crowdfunding for his living expenses after his bank account and savings account were both hacked.

Shall I put my faith in people like this? Hmm

Babdoc · 09/01/2022 10:34

Antibodies do not reliably last long after infection. I was hospitalised with Covid back in March 2020, before vaccines were available. I had lost all antibodies by July.
As a retired anaesthetist, I think the colleague in question is giving entirely the wrong message to the public in general and anti vaxxers in particular.
As doctors, we have a responsibility for public health, and he should be promoting the vaccine to save hospitals from being overwhelmed by sheer number of cases.

noblegiraffe · 09/01/2022 10:35

@MrsLargeEmbodied

he is fit and healthy, and has not seen fit and healthy people in icu, where he has been working throughout covid
And yet we know that fit and healthy people have died of covid.
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MrsLargeEmbodied · 09/01/2022 10:35

he is arguing that the booster will need to be done every 8 weeks, and now we have omecron which is milder there is less need - he was braver than his colleagues who remained mute

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MrsLargeEmbodied · 09/01/2022 10:36

he wants another conversation about the vaccine being mandated.

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MrsLargeEmbodied · 09/01/2022 10:36

@ClaudineClare
have you had the vaccine?
then why do you need faith in this particular individual

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