Could this be any more selfish?

[whatatanker]

Father has tested positive on LFT. He does a hobby which involves lots of other people (3 days a week and 60 people). It is outside, but does involve close contact. He's done this hobby twice since he's found out he's positive.

He's been going about as usual with symptoms. He is not isolating (in fact went to his second home - over 100 miles away) last weekend, knowing full well that he was positive. He's been going in to shops, meeting up with people etc.

He has only told DM that he's positive. I'm not supposed to know.

I'm appalled. He's a selfish narcissistic bastard and it doesn't surprise me, but I'm not sure that I can have a decent relationship with him now that I know the extent of his selfishness.

@kittensinthekitchen

Have you seen the latest data? Hospitalisations and deaths HAVENT spiked, there is only a very small increase. Life has to go on for us all. If you are CEV then stay home, take precautions. Change your job, don't go to crowded places. Use your common sense and don't be bitter towards those of us who are finally able to live our lives.

When so many wealthy and powerful people have been blatantly ignoring the punitive, intrusive and in some cases completely unjustified regulations they have imposed on the poor, it's no wonder that people are less inclined to listen to all the bawling and scolding and fingerwagging.

If his hobby is outdoors it's not much of a risk to others, and if the places he is going to are either empty or well-ventilated, still not much of a risk to others.

I worry there are lots of selfish people doing exactly this unfortunately. Where I live there are many people who don’t wear masks on public transport, and it makes me very anxious to go out as I have vulnerable family members. I know some people are exempt, but when it’s almost half the bus not wearing them, I think it’s fair to conclude that not all of them are.

@Katie517

At the moment it seems selfish but this will be normal practice in the future as we learn to live with covid. You can’t honestly think that 7 days mandatory isolation will be normal behavior and is sustainable forever? We do this for no other illnesses and it has never been an issue.

But we're not talking about the future are we? We're talking about the situation and the law now.

[quote worriedandannoyed]@kittensinthekitchen

Have you seen the latest data? Hospitalisations and deaths HAVENT spiked, there is only a very small increase. Life has to go on for us all. If you are CEV then stay home, take precautions. Change your job, don't go to crowded places. Use your common sense and don't be bitter towards those of us who are finally able to live our lives. [/quote]
So basically, disabled folk - stay at home so we don't have to think about you?

But not sure what that has to do with me asking if you realise that 1% of people (the number you mentioned) is a hell of a lot of people.

[quote Katie517]@whatatanker We have very different opinions on the severity of covid at this moment in time if you are comparing it to Spanish flu and cholera. The reality is for the vast majority of people omicron is a mild cold and that is not something people are going to be willing to isolate for indefinitely. If Boris turned round tomorrow and said we no longer had to do it would you be disgusted with your dads behavior?[/quote]
There are very differing views on how mild it is. Some people are still dying or seriously ill.

What are you hoping to get out of posting this?

Yes it's selfish right now.

Your dad is a dick though for several reasons, even if eventually we stop isolating for covid. One is that he doesn't know he's got Omicron, he could have Delta. The second is that he's in close contact with people, outside or no, so that's inconsiderate and positively dangerous for some people.

The only good thing is if he tested positive a week or so ago, he's probably not infectious now.

[quote worriedandannoyed]@PAFMO you wouldn't go and play golf with a group of people if you had the flu because you'd be too unwell. But you wouldn't be sitting indoors long after you felt well enough to go out 'just in case' you were contagious.

The tide is turning regarding testing and isolating. This cannot and will not go on forever. Those on this post who have such strong views are CEV I assume. I'm sorry you have to assume YOU will have to take precautions, not the rest of society. [/quote]
I'm not vulnerable. I just give a shit about those who are.

He only had to self isolate for 7 days so it's hardly that long. Yes he's being selfish

@kittensinthekitchen

Oh yes, the "let the vulnerable stay at home so I can go to Aldi without a face nappy" trope has been going on for almost as long as Covid itself on MN. It started off because they thought it just meant the elderly who should be dead anyway. Eugenics at its best in March 2020 on here. They kind of failed to factor in that "vulnerable" also means the 5 year old with Downs Syndrome or the 30 year old mother with breast cancer.

What a total dickhead! That's appalling

[quote PAFMO]@kittensinthekitchen

Oh yes, the "let the vulnerable stay at home so I can go to Aldi without a face nappy" trope has been going on for almost as long as Covid itself on MN. It started off because they thought it just meant the elderly who should be dead anyway. Eugenics at its best in March 2020 on here. They kind of failed to factor in that "vulnerable" also means the 5 year old with Downs Syndrome or the 30 year old mother with breast cancer.[/quote]
Not like I want to be able to date or go to a bar or shopping or anything(!)
I wonder how "stay at home then" people would be if they were faced with well, staying home alone. Forever. Because they will be CEV forever

I'm seeing this more and more. I'm currently isolating as caught covid from dhs friend who met him when clearly unwell and put dh in a really awkward position where he then had to spend four hours with him and surprise surprise two days later tested positive. That then meant all Xmas we were waiting for dh to catch it and worried about seeing our families etc. Sure enough dh then me then dd caught it while dh friend left isolation or around day 5 claiming he was really day 7 and has been nagging dh to meet him in the pub when dh was still in isolation - dh didn't go but this bloke met another friend who suprise suprise now has covid . Yes we have all had it fairly mildly but it's infuriating that some people just do what they want with no thoughts to others while we have missed most of our Xmas holidays doing the right thing .

@ItsSnowJokes

Let's hope he doesn't kill anyone! I personally think that people who do this, and are found to be doing this should be charged with reckless endangerment. Maybe that will stop the selfish cunts doing it.

Calm down.

Meant to add like you op it makes me question the morals of people like this and really wonder whether I still want to see them after this

@PAFMO

Or, indeed, anyone with lasting damage from a previous covid infection.

Unfortunately, it's been said a lot longer than with the arrival of covid. Pesky disabled people have always been seen as a nuisance for the healthy and able bodied. Never mind those 'freedoms' we've fought for.

I'm a strong supporter of vaccines, but omicron does appear to be mild for the vast majority... Despite the surge in cases, Covid patients on ventilators have remained stable.

So basically people are not dying so it's OK. It's a mild illnes?
You have a very different idea of what a miod illness is than I have.
Wo talking about the fact you are nivekly overlooking the fact people are STILL in hospital. They might not on a ventilator but they are still ill enough to need hospital care. For me that's not a mild illness.

And that's wo talking about the fact we actually know very little about Omicron still (eg what is the effect on the older age category etc...), know nothing about long covid (which you can get even with a 'mild' illness, aka like a cold) etc etc

But anyway... that wasn;t the OP's question. We have rules atm because scientists don;t feel we know enough to say 'It's just mild, a bit like a cild so let's forget about self isolation etc...'
So let's follow the scientists rather than Amanda on MN or FB/Twitter/the OP's dad who think they know better and there is no need for self isolation.

This is so, incredibly selfish. I have been shocked by some people's choices recently but this is beyond shocking.

It really saddens me that in the midst of a crisis, people can't just do the right thing and stay at home for a few days.
They're setting up field hospitals in hospital car parks FFS.

The aggression and nasty comments towards people who are concerned are spiralling too. And the dismissal of the vulnerabilities of the people with health problems and the elderly is bordering on eugenics. Never mind, at least the Tories will save a bit on pensions eh?
I despair when I look at what this country has become and the nasty, right wing, vocal attacks on people who think differently to them too.
I would like 'Be Kind' to make a come back. I would like to see a sense of community again, I would like us to be looking out for each other.

Not deliberately infecting others with a virus that will have unknown effects on them (lots of the people I know who have it now, don't have symptoms that I would describe as mild - they're really quite poorly), because, you know 'muh rights' 'freedom' etc. If everyone was a bit more careful we would all be feeling a lot more free.

Don't have any advice about your dad though although I agree with you it's difficult to have a relationship with someone who cares so little for the welfare of others, I would keep a distance for the long term really. I hope your mum is ok and doesn't catch it. Sorry you are going through this :-(

Do you remember when a woman was murdered walking home at night (am sure it was Sarah Everard) and some dickhead from the police advised women to stay home at night, not to go out alone after dark? (I may be slightly misremembering this, but that was the jist)
Remember the outcry from society (mostly women, sadly)? About how it was victim blaming?

Remember when women get raped by footballers, and it's suggested they shouldn't have been so drunk?
Remember the outcry from society (again, sadly mostly women)? About how it was victim blaming?

So WHY do people continue to suggest that those with disabilities need to stay home in order to feel safe? WHY is it ok to still keep marginalising this section of society, as if their lives are worth less?

So WHY do people continue to suggest that those with disabilities need to stay home in order to feel safe? WHY is it ok to still keep marginalising this section of society, as if their lives are worth less?

Because the NHS isn't run on claps and fairy dust - if we don't have a functioning economy society collapses for us all 🤷🏻‍♀️

I think those who are CEV should have all the support thrown at them to allow them to make choices to stay as safe as they can through the pandemic (emphasise CHOICES - I know many CEV people who haven't followed the rules and don't want to hide away forever!) the rest should just get on with it. There are some for whom the common cold or flu is lethal - we don't all stay at home to protect them. People act like vaccines aren't even a thing

Your dad is a pillock though OP.

[quote worriedandannoyed]@kittensinthekitchen

Have you seen the latest data? Hospitalisations and deaths HAVENT spiked, there is only a very small increase. Life has to go on for us all. If you are CEV then stay home, take precautions. Change your job, don't go to crowded places. Use your common sense and don't be bitter towards those of us who are finally able to live our lives. [/quote]
You ned to look at numbers again

Hospitalisation up by 50% each week, 2000 peole admitted each day for covid.
Number of deaths increasin too by 52%.

C Whitty is expecting number of people in hospital to be the same as last January in the next couple of weeks.
They are opening tents in car parks to treat people because of the lack of beds.
You currently have to make your own way to A&E if you have a heart attack.

How is that a mild illness that you can just ignore? [Baffled]

Omicron is only mild THANKS TO the vaccines that are decoupled the number of cases vs severe illness/daths.
It is not a mid illness anf the impact it has on people and the NHS is still huge.

@lemmein

So WHY do people continue to suggest that those with disabilities need to stay home in order to feel safe? WHY is it ok to still keep marginalising this section of society, as if their lives are worth less?

Because the NHS isn't run on claps and fairy dust - if we don't have a functioning economy society collapses for us all 🤷🏻‍♀️

I think those who are CEV should have all the support thrown at them to allow them to make choices to stay as safe as they can through the pandemic (emphasise CHOICES - I know many CEV people who haven't followed the rules and don't want to hide away forever!) the rest should just get on with it. There are some for whom the common cold or flu is lethal - we don't all stay at home to protect them. People act like vaccines aren't even a thing

Your dad is a pillock though OP.

Yet people are still unimaginatively hectoring others about how 'easy' it is to stay caged up... Fine if you have a secure, comfortable home that you share with pleasant, reasonable people; an income or plenty of money in the bank etc. Much less fine if you are living with a bully or an abuser, working in a low-paid, precarious job that cannot be done remotely, stuck in a cramped flat with young children etc. Then consider the decisions some key workers have to make if their jobs are understaffed - do they risk possibly infecting a vulnerable person or do they risk that person being left without essential care because there is no one else to cover? None of these problems can be fixed by moral panic or pious bullshit about the disobedience of the lower orders. Also worth noting that some CEV people have, all along, made their own decisions regarding what risks to take and good luck to them. Not every vulnerable person is whining for the whole world to suffer on their behalf, indefinitely.

I suspect the OP's father tested himself so that if he did get really ill, he could start demanding the finest anti-virals known to humanity.

I want them and I want them NOW! I've paid my taxes!!

I'm afraid GP surgeries and hospitals could be seeing such behaviour once the new meds are more publicised.

Covid-19 is not like the common cold in this respect.