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The unvaccinated

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Xmasprrssiehelp · 29/12/2021 23:34

I am genuinely worried about unvaccinated people.

I live in a large northern city. In my naice area 93% of people aged 12+ have have had the first dose of vaccine, 86% the second dose and 74% on boosters.

The areas where there is the least vaccine uptake in my city, is in poorer area's where 33% have the vaccine, these are areas where overall health is poor, education is poor and general outcomes are poor. Despite covid.

I don’t want to start a class war with covid, but it’s really getting hard to ignore that we need to find a way to stop conspiracy theories on Facebook and the like actually targeting people who might not be educated enough to understand what they are reading/seeing.

I say all of this and being gentle.

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Nubfeary · 30/12/2021 07:32

Ugh. Why are the pro vax anti choice people always so deeply nasty and spiteful?

I think the more pertinent question is why are some who have made a conscious decision to not be vaccinated so triggered by the opinions of others? Stand by and own it, if people say whatever then who cares as long as you're happy with your decision.

doublemonkey · 30/12/2021 08:00

[quote Clumsyvolcano]@MarbleQueen if the information wasn’t made public how did you find a link on the internet? That is publicly available information? 1200 deaths is probably normal over a 90 day period considering how many naturally, none vaccine related deaths occur daily anyway, and correlation does not prove causation.

See this is the issue, sometimes the logic is flawed.[/quote]
How come, in a conversation about vaccine safety it's ok to say that 1200 deaths is normal over a 90 day period but not ok to say the same when it comes to Covid deaths??

Yahyahs22 · 30/12/2021 08:06

There are literal doctors quitting their jobs over this. They are not vulnerable or uneducated they just have a different stance on it than others. Some scientists disagree too.

Missey85 · 30/12/2021 08:08

You do realize the majority of Anti Vaxxers are well educated? Most that have gotten are just regular people? It seems they lost all sense when they got their fancy degrees? Its also mainly the wealthy that are refusing it maybe their hoping the money will save them from death

Cam2020 · 30/12/2021 08:08

Sounds like the name of a band.

wtaf37 · 30/12/2021 08:11

@Xmasprrssiehelp

I am genuinely worried about unvaccinated people.

I live in a large northern city. In my naice area 93% of people aged 12+ have have had the first dose of vaccine, 86% the second dose and 74% on boosters.

The areas where there is the least vaccine uptake in my city, is in poorer area's where 33% have the vaccine, these are areas where overall health is poor, education is poor and general outcomes are poor. Despite covid.

I don’t want to start a class war with covid, but it’s really getting hard to ignore that we need to find a way to stop conspiracy theories on Facebook and the like actually targeting people who might not be educated enough to understand what they are reading/seeing.

I say all of this and being gentle.

I live in a very 'knit your own tofu while allowing little India/Oliver to express themselves through the medium of hysterical tantrums in Waitrose' area. Many unvacccinated in this demographic thanks to the legacy of andrew wakefield...
GiveMeNovocain · 30/12/2021 08:11

@Nubfeary why should people justify their decision to anyone? Why on earth open yourself up to such unpleasant experiences? Someone was telling me a fellow church member died at 55 from covid but he wasn't sad as they were unvaccinated. If you want people to be vaccinated lecturing and calling them names and saying that it's fine if they suffer is not the way to do it. Believing the vaccine actually works and stopping the constant safety messages and restrictions would be far more effective. However despite our massive vaccine push I'm back in level 2 restrictions (Wales) and am told that my first two vaccines were close to useless. Why would I want a third until it's adapted to cover omnicron?

Cam2020 · 30/12/2021 08:15

You do realize the majority of Anti Vaxxers are well educated?

How on Earth do you qualify that? While I've seen and read articles opposing vaccination from scientists and Drs, I've also seen a fair amount from old school colleagues (the type who are barley literate because they thought school was shit and spent their school career trying to intimidate teachers) that this is all a scam, fake news and the government trying to control people.

BertieQueen · 30/12/2021 08:19

I have not had the vaccine and am happy with my choice. I do not need you worrying about me thank you! Hmm

I also have not read one article on vaccine conspiracies either!

EarPlugAfficionado · 30/12/2021 08:29

[quote SweetsAndChocolates]@Xmasprrssiehelp as hard as it might be to believe this, but of the 'anti vaxxers' I know one is an optician and the others pharmacists (a fair few) go figure!

Can't really use the 'educated' argument in this instance 🤷‍♀️[/quote]
Yup. I have a similar ‘level’ job and I’m one of the great unwashed. Ah well!

BusBusBus · 30/12/2021 08:30

I think people who are doing well out of the system trust the system more wheras the people who feel disinfranched, trapped in poverty and made to feel generally worthless are less likely to trust things are being pushed for their own benefit.

EarPlugAfficionado · 30/12/2021 08:31

@StanleyGreen

I worry about the vaccinated. There is no long term data regarding side effects or permanent damage to health. I'd rather take my unvaccinated chances of surviving covid, which is 98% thank you very much. Take your vaccines and your boosters, that is entirely your choice and I won't argue with your right to choose. In fact I will fight and support your right to choose. But leave other people alone who don't make the same choices you do. We should all be supporting each other, and not judging.
This is right.
Narutocrazyfox · 30/12/2021 08:32

You're 'genuinely worried', are you? Hahaha OP.

We don't need you to worry about us, thanks - some of us terrible unvaxxed are highly educated professionals capable of proper risk assessment. Try minding your own business, yes?

EarPlugAfficionado · 30/12/2021 08:36

@MrsGradyOldLady

Your vaccines either work or they don't.

Sorry to distort your view on the uneducated, unvaccinated underclass, but I'm educated to post grad level, earn very highly in my own business, have a large house in a "naice area". In fact I likely have a much "naicer" lifestyle than you. We live amongst you.

“We live amongst you” love it! :)
CrimbleCrumble1 · 30/12/2021 08:36

In the group of people I know there is definitely a massive correlation between educational achievement and being jabbed.
All my DC’s university friends have been jabbed, my friend’s DC that left school at 16 without any qualifications haven’t. The same pattern applies with their parents.
This is my observation.

RunningInTheWind · 30/12/2021 08:38

Ok, let’s send in the army and anyone wearing grey tracksuit bottoms is forcibly jagged.

100% “compliance”. You get a gold star.

How does that prevent swathes of the globe who are “the unvaccinated” naicely mutating the virus within the confines of their country borders before flying in to Heathrow?

MsTSwift · 30/12/2021 08:41

I agree op. There are demographics more likely to refuse the vaccine and lack of education lack of critical thinking skills may be part of it.

EarPlugAfficionado · 30/12/2021 08:43

@Glassteacups

‘ You say that to try and convince yourself you hold some modicum of intelligence and to satiate your insecurities.

I see through you. Best of luck to your children; they'll need it with you as a parent.’

Ugh. Why are the pro vax anti choice people always so deeply nasty and spiteful?

I’ve had three vaccinations btw and have covid. I believe in vaccines. But I believe even more in people’s right to choose.

I am disgusted by the attitude of some people on here and in the wider world to people who have chosen not to be vaccinated. They sneer at them for their stupidity, whilst they’re the ones acting like thick puppets, taking the bait fed to them by the media and governments who want them to behave exactly like this, turning on their fellow human beings and screeching for their human rights be removed, the thick, dirty, diseased oiks.

Revolting.

It reminds me of the remainder attitude during and and since the Brexit referendum to be honest.
Toty · 30/12/2021 08:45

The OP is so worried they've failed to come back and engage in any discussion on a thread they started? Aye right. Concerned my arse.

RedRobin100 · 30/12/2021 08:46

OP you may as well have titled your thread
“The Unclean” or something else as offensive

Mind your own business

Trinacham · 30/12/2021 08:59

Please don't worry about us. I'm not anti-vax but I've not had my first vaccine yet. I have had covid however. For what it's worth my symptoms were way more mild than vaccinated people (sister, and a colleague - whom I caught it from) who got it at a similar time to me. I had a runny nose, sneezing and loss of taste and smell. My colleague was severely fatigued and had to have longer off work. I didn't need any time off work as felt fine but obviously had to isolate! Just goes to show, vax or no vax every body copes differently.

RampantIvy · 30/12/2021 09:04

Covid is a Russian Roulette of a disease though, and no-one one knows how ill they will be, just as no-one can anticipate whether they will get any side effects from the vaccine.

The indisputable facts are that the risks are higher from the disease than the vaccine, so people can make an informed choice. The risk averse tend to go down the vaccine route.

Livpool · 30/12/2021 09:04

I am a bit fed up of the people who choose (not those who can't) not to have the vaccine shouting about their rights etc. And on other threads people have been saying that those who are CEV (I am one) should be left to take their chances. All very ableist and nasty.

Do what you want or not - but please shut up about it. One of my colleagues has chosen not to get vexed and her Facebook is full of 'leave the weak to get on with it' and anyone who has the vaccine is a sheep - as if she is the only person to think like that.

Sorry rant over!

bordermidgebite · 30/12/2021 09:07

The demographics of those most likely to be unvaccinated should make those in power ashamed

Those are the people whose needs have been overlooked for decades breeding distrust and disbelief. And the politicians know this and courted it during Brexit

listsandbudgets · 30/12/2021 09:07

I think if you live in an area where most are vaccinated you can afford to take a different perspective Like OP I live in a large city. The areas with lowest rates of vaccination are the poorest ones. This suggests a correlation between poverty, poorer levels if education and low uptake. I really do not believe that 50% or more of people in some if our poorest areas are anti vaccination, I just believe for one reason or a another they are not getting the message. I am not sure why that is but like OP I'm worried for them, their families and the wider implications for the NHS. Councillors of different ethnicities ( including white British) and religions have been desperately trying to get the.message across and I know how worried some of them are about their local communities and vaccination uptake Sad