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The unvaccinated

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Xmasprrssiehelp · 29/12/2021 23:34

I am genuinely worried about unvaccinated people.

I live in a large northern city. In my naice area 93% of people aged 12+ have have had the first dose of vaccine, 86% the second dose and 74% on boosters.

The areas where there is the least vaccine uptake in my city, is in poorer area's where 33% have the vaccine, these are areas where overall health is poor, education is poor and general outcomes are poor. Despite covid.

I don’t want to start a class war with covid, but it’s really getting hard to ignore that we need to find a way to stop conspiracy theories on Facebook and the like actually targeting people who might not be educated enough to understand what they are reading/seeing.

I say all of this and being gentle.

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JadeandGreen · 30/12/2021 00:03

@PineappleMojito

Oh go away with this divisive shite, calling people “the unvaccinated”. I’m vaccinated and I’ve had enough of hearing it. People need to learn to mind their own business and respect others’ medical autonomy. Yes, even when it seems like a stupid decision to you.

This is classist, divisive bollocks dressed up as concern and I’m not here for it.

This! Not heard much about single mothers on benefits recently now the media have a new project!
PineappleMojito · 30/12/2021 00:04

@sweeneytoddsrazor

Why is it whenever anyone has a different viewpoint they are automatically classed by a lot of people as uneducated? You don't do yourselves any favours with that attitude. If I was wanting you to persuade me your point of view was correct I would not be encouraged to take any notice if you had already categorised me as uneducated, poor, a believer in conspiracy theories or any other derogatory terms you can think of.
This, 1000%
HailAdrian · 30/12/2021 00:05

You are so unlikely to die of covid now, do you know this?

middleager · 30/12/2021 00:08

@gogohm

I do worry about those who are misinformed and thus at increased vulnerability to covid due to refusing the vaccine. I worry about the kids that are potentially going to loose a parent because of this refusal to engage with modern medicine and I'm concerned about the peoples whose operations are being postponed due to unvaccinated people spending longer in hospital if they get covid. I don't have answers, except we need to get trusted people to engage with residents in these areas because government messages aren't working.

My area has 98% vaccination in over 18's Birmingham had 35% in one wardConfused

Yes, and having been shopping in Birmingham today, the amount of shoppers wearing masks was only around 50%.
BeMoreGoldfish · 30/12/2021 00:09

@JadeandGreen that is utter rubbish. The “vaccinated” are far less likely to end up in hospital and if they do up in hospital are far less likely to be in ICU. You are misreading the stats.

SweetsAndChocolates · 30/12/2021 00:11

@Xmasprrssiehelp as hard as it might be to believe this, but of the 'anti vaxxers' I know one is an optician and the others pharmacists (a fair few) go figure!

Can't really use the 'educated' argument in this instance 🤷‍♀️

XenoBitch · 30/12/2021 00:16

[quote SweetsAndChocolates]@Xmasprrssiehelp as hard as it might be to believe this, but of the 'anti vaxxers' I know one is an optician and the others pharmacists (a fair few) go figure!

Can't really use the 'educated' argument in this instance 🤷‍♀️[/quote]
I know two... and both are qualified health professionals.

LemonSwan · 30/12/2021 00:21

Honestly I watched The Pianist at xmas. You think how could this happen. And then I see threads entitled 'The Unvaccinated' and I think is it really implausible for something like that to happen again. Perhaps not with COVID - but the way people have behaved I would bet a lot of money on the camps appearing if it were akin to Ebola.

JadeandGreen · 30/12/2021 00:25

[quote BeMoreGoldfish]@JadeandGreen that is utter rubbish. The “vaccinated” are far less likely to end up in hospital and if they do up in hospital are far less likely to be in ICU. You are misreading the stats.[/quote]
I wasn't reading stats! That's a quote from Boris today!

StanleyGreen · 30/12/2021 00:25

I worry about the vaccinated. There is no long term data regarding side effects or permanent damage to health.
I'd rather take my unvaccinated chances of surviving covid, which is 98% thank you very much.
Take your vaccines and your boosters, that is entirely your choice and I won't argue with your right to choose. In fact I will fight and support your right to choose. But leave other people alone who don't make the same choices you do.
We should all be supporting each other, and not judging.

Bagamoyo1 · 30/12/2021 00:25

@JadeandGreen

Waste of time getting vaccinated if you are now unable to get the booster for whatever reason! 90% of people in hospital are vaccinated, so basically in the same position as "the unvaccinated" How does that sit on the moral highground I wonder?
I don’t think you understand the statistics.
2kool4skool · 30/12/2021 00:27

With 2 AZ jabs my protection against Omicron was, oh yeah, naff all it turns out. So does that make me unvaccinated? As good as.
I have also had a booster and by end of Feb I’ll be basically back to being effectively unvaccinated again.
What if it?

Wreath21 · 30/12/2021 00:30

There are quite a lot of communities/categories of people who have every reason to distrust and disobey the government. (Anybody who actually trusts the current bunch of gangsters and fuckwits is, well, a bit dodgy.) There is a long history of poor and otherwise marginalised people being subject to dodgy or even intentionally harmful medical procedures 'for their own good'.

I think the vaccines are broadly safe and reasonably effective (the plunging death rate as compared to the rising infection rate is pretty good evidence for that). I have had all three of my shots. But I can see why some people are reluctant, and I can definitely see that demonizing and scapegoating them is not the answer. But all the way through the pandemic we have had the relatively comfortable scolding the (mainly imaginary) disobedient proles rather than looking at the government, who
Stopped quarantine, testing and contact tracing in the early spring of 2020
Knowingly sent infectious patients into care homes
Refused to join in the EU procurement scheme for PPE because they would rather give public money to their dodgy mates
Wasted vast sums on New Hospitals that there was no one to staff.
Etc.

EllaVaNight · 30/12/2021 00:32

I say all of this and being gentle What? Do you mean "I say all of this whilst being gentle"? Either way, saying the word gentle is the equivalent of saying "No offence". Just because you're saying you're not being a C U Next Tuesday doesn't make it true.

BobbieT1999 · 30/12/2021 00:37

The title of this thread sounds like a dodgy 60s horror film

JadeandGreen · 30/12/2021 00:38

Bagamoyo1 I'm guessing you're referring to the fact that the more people are vaccinated, then the more vaccinated people there will be in hospital? So yes, I do understand the statistics. But the 90% who are now in hospital are people who have not had the booster. So the narrative less than a month ago was, get vaccinated to prevent ending up in hospital, don't be selfish, protect your loved ones. Now the narrative has changed to, your vaccinations aren't protecting you, the majority in hospital are double vaccinated, you need to get the booster to prevent ending up in hospital, don't be selfish, protect your loved ones, blah blah blah! While the media are practically orgasmic at spewing out the fear day in day out!

offtothebeach · 30/12/2021 00:43

What i find amusing is your assumption that the unvaccinated need more education to help them understand more. You seem to have failed to recognise or understand how the government and media have manipulated you into making this a "Us-vs-Them" issue. They could only have managed this if you yourself need a little more education or understanding.

doublemonkey · 30/12/2021 00:45

Thanks for your concern OP, but please don't worry about me.

I've had Covid so my immunity is way better than yours. In fact, I'm actually a bit worried about you!

RampantIvy · 30/12/2021 00:50

@JadeandGreen

Waste of time getting vaccinated if you are now unable to get the booster for whatever reason! 90% of people in hospital are vaccinated, so basically in the same position as "the unvaccinated" How does that sit on the moral highground I wonder?
Apparently 90%of ICU patients haven't had the booster.
Lolamento · 30/12/2021 00:54

@PineappleMojito

Oh go away with this divisive shite, calling people “the unvaccinated”. I’m vaccinated and I’ve had enough of hearing it. People need to learn to mind their own business and respect others’ medical autonomy. Yes, even when it seems like a stupid decision to you.

This is classist, divisive bollocks dressed up as concern and I’m not here for it.

Well done for saying this.
MsAgnesDiPesto · 30/12/2021 00:54

@JadeandGreen

Bagamoyo1 I'm guessing you're referring to the fact that the more people are vaccinated, then the more vaccinated people there will be in hospital? So yes, I do understand the statistics. But the 90% who are now in hospital are people who have not had the booster. So the narrative less than a month ago was, get vaccinated to prevent ending up in hospital, don't be selfish, protect your loved ones. Now the narrative has changed to, your vaccinations aren't protecting you, the majority in hospital are double vaccinated, you need to get the booster to prevent ending up in hospital, don't be selfish, protect your loved ones, blah blah blah! While the media are practically orgasmic at spewing out the fear day in day out!
It's not the narrative that's changed, though - it's the virus! That's why we need the boosters to improve our defence against omicron.

I hate all the division over this, but at least acknowledge that our response has to change as the virus does, in whatever direction is needed.

MrsGradyOldLady · 30/12/2021 00:55

Your vaccines either work or they don't.

Sorry to distort your view on the uneducated, unvaccinated underclass, but I'm educated to post grad level, earn very highly in my own business, have a large house in a "naice area". In fact I likely have a much "naicer" lifestyle than you. We live amongst you.

Lavender24 · 30/12/2021 00:56

@doublemonkey

Thanks for your concern OP, but please don't worry about me.

I've had Covid so my immunity is way better than yours. In fact, I'm actually a bit worried about you!

Same :) I recovered at home just fine despite having type one diabetes and being (gasp) unvaccinated so I don't need your concern thanks.
mygenericusername · 30/12/2021 00:56

I’m not vaccinated. Would you like to play education top trumps or my house is bigger than yours?

Xmasiscancelledagain · 30/12/2021 00:59

Let me guess OP, everyone who lives in your happily vaccinated area is white? And the other area, less so?

You should have just called them some racially derogatory terms and have done with it. The uneducated indeed.