The unvaccinated

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I am genuinely worried about unvaccinated people.

I live in a large northern city. In my naice area 93% of people aged 12+ have have had the first dose of vaccine, 86% the second dose and 74% on boosters.

The areas where there is the least vaccine uptake in my city, is in poorer area's where 33% have the vaccine, these are areas where overall health is poor, education is poor and general outcomes are poor. Despite covid.

I don’t want to start a class war with covid, but it’s really getting hard to ignore that we need to find a way to stop conspiracy theories on Facebook and the like actually targeting people who might not be educated enough to understand what they are reading/seeing.

I say all of this and being gentle.

[quote BeMoreGoldfish]@InexperiencedDogOwner I’m utterly baffled by your definition of a true vaccine - no vaccine against anything ever gives a guarantee of 100% efficacy. Not measles, flu, HPV, anything. So your definition, if accepted, means no true vaccines exist.

This just isn’t true.

The stats on the rate of transmission for vaccinated people are overwhelmingly positive. It cuts transmission rates significantly, it cuts illness significantly and it cuts your chances of being hospitalised significantly.

It is a true vaccine in every sense of the word.[/quote]
FACT CHECK:

In September, the CDC changed its vaccine definition from “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease” to "a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases"

@InexperiencedDogOwner

How the definition of a vaccine has changed to suit the narrative...

...in 1885, the great Louis Pasteur of Paris tested what he called a “rabies vaccine,” even though the parlance of the time was such that “vaccine” or “vaccination” specifically meant administering cowpox pus into a human being in order to prevent that person from contracting smallpox....

www.sciencefriday.com/articles/the-origin-of-the-word-vaccine/

Gosh, yes. How the definition of a vaccine has changed to suit the advances of science.

But @InexperiencedDogOwner my point still stands - no vaccine is, has ever been, or has ever claimed to be, 100% effective.

Putting FACT CHECK in big shouty letters doesn’t change this fact.

I’ve had all my vaccines for everything that I could knowing this to be true. It’s no less true of the Covid vaccine.

I'd worry about people I know who are obese, elderly or CEV and unvaccinnated. But I don't actually know any in this category. Everyone else has an excellent chance of being ok. As Whitty said, for most people this is a mild virus. Have your own jabs and try and relax

@Loustew12 the two people who’ve died in my extended social circle recently were in their late 40s, fit, healthy and no health conditions.

Both unvaccinated.

Why take the risk?

FACT CHECK:
You just know that whoever posts this has adjusted the tin foil hat before pressing "Post" 🤣🤣

@CJsGoldfish 😂😂

[quote BeMoreGoldfish]@Loustew12 the two people who’ve died in my extended social circle recently were in their late 40s, fit, healthy and no health conditions.

Both unvaccinated.

Why take the risk?[/quote]
But overweight?

@CJsGoldfish

FACT CHECK: You just know that whoever posts this has adjusted the tin foil hat before pressing "Post" 🤣🤣

Actually fact check is usually put all over anything that questions the vax usually especially if it's on Facebook censoring things. Do you can keep your tin hat to yourself 😂

*do = so

For example, Facebook said an article by the BMJ was false information by one of their clueless "fact checkers"

www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635/rr-80

Anything that's questions the vaccine is censored under the banner of being so called "fact checked"

Another example of censorship by "fact checkers"

Waste of time getting vaccinated if you are now unable to get the booster for whatever reason! 90% of people in hospital are vaccinated, so basically in the same position as "the unvaccinated" How does that sit on the moral highground I wonder?

Is that true @JadeandGreen?

I thought the 90% figure was anecdata from BJ and can't really be trusted

@Northsoutheastwest76 I don't know, I assumed because it was coming from the Prime Minister that it was fact. In hindsight, should've probably known better to believe anything that comes out of his mouth.

@Glassteacups

‘ You say that to try and convince yourself you hold some modicum of intelligence and to satiate your insecurities.

I see through you. Best of luck to your children; they'll need it with you as a parent.’

Ugh. Why are the pro vax anti choice people always so deeply nasty and spiteful?

I’ve had three vaccinations btw and have covid. I believe in vaccines. But I believe even more in people’s right to choose.

I am disgusted by the attitude of some people on here and in the wider world to people who have chosen not to be vaccinated. They sneer at them for their stupidity, whilst they’re the ones acting like thick puppets, taking the bait fed to them by the media and governments who want them to behave exactly like this, turning on their fellow human beings and screeching for their human rights be removed, the thick, dirty, diseased oiks.

Revolting.

Yep.

my point still stands - no vaccine is, has ever been, or has ever claimed to be, 100% effective

Most vaccines that we are used to are sterilizing and DO prevent infection, and are also long lasting. For example, I recently had a blood titer test because I need evidence of my childhood vaccinations. I still have high levels of immunity to measles, mumps and rubella after vaccination over 30 years ago.

Its fairly obvious that which ever cohort are filling up hospital beds, then they need to be more effectively targeted.

But what a state the NHS is in when it falls to bits when less than 10,000 people are ill with CV (in hospital)
Even before CV, there were 2m people waiting many months for elective treatment, much of which is to fix life limiting conditions.

Then there is todays announcement that schools will get 7,000 air filtration kits (leaving 17,000 without them) something that has been called for months ago, as early as May 2020!! FFS.

all last minute.com but lets blame people who for whatever reason haven't been able to take a vaccination.

@FromEden yep “most” being the key word. The reason we sometimes need to be tested is to check that we don’t need them redone. But other vaccines do need to be “topped up” or repeated annually. I have a flu vaccine every year and have done for years, I’m expecting Covid will fall into this category too.

@LINABE as opposed to the anti vaxxers picketing schools and attacking staff working in testing centres? It’s a nonsense to pretend that “either side” has the moral high ground .

@Alexandra2001 no “blame” is being attached to anyone who can’t “have” the vaccine. Most of those who aren’t vaccinated have chosen not to have it: it’s a tiny minority who genuinely can’t have it. Like all vaccines, those who can’t have it are protected by those who do.

@Alexandra2001 nearly 12,000 as of 29th December. I don't think it has fallen over yet but this is an additional pressure on top of usual Winter Pressure and a huge backlog from COVID.
All with staff absence from a very contagious disease.

@BeMoreGoldfish their latest stunts include stealing property from a testing site and storming the foyer of a theatre during thr interval of a matinee panto!.

[quote BeMoreGoldfish]@LINABE as opposed to the anti vaxxers picketing schools and attacking staff working in testing centres? It’s a nonsense to pretend that “either side” has the moral high ground .[/quote]
They don’t. Neither “side” does. I am utterly sick of them both. We need some common sense, humanity and an ability to hold different points of view and look at grey areas back in society, and we need those things yesterday.

I’m sick to the back teeth of militant Covidians AND militant anti vaxxers and I’ve had enough exposure to both to know exactly what they’re both like.

@PineappleMojito sadly social media in all its guises has seen an end to that .