The unvaccinated

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I am genuinely worried about unvaccinated people.

I live in a large northern city. In my naice area 93% of people aged 12+ have have had the first dose of vaccine, 86% the second dose and 74% on boosters.

The areas where there is the least vaccine uptake in my city, is in poorer area's where 33% have the vaccine, these are areas where overall health is poor, education is poor and general outcomes are poor. Despite covid.

I don’t want to start a class war with covid, but it’s really getting hard to ignore that we need to find a way to stop conspiracy theories on Facebook and the like actually targeting people who might not be educated enough to understand what they are reading/seeing.

I say all of this and being gentle.

I live in one of those poor neighbourhoods and YANBU. I agree with everything you say. We need some honesty about this

It is about education yes but also maybe a generational thing too. I find the more middle aged and older generations here are better at understanding public health programmes and more sensible and accepting about vaccines. Partly because they remember diseases that crippled, killed even and the vaccines drives against them, polio, TB, smallpox. They are also less susceptible to online anti-vax propaganda, they are wiser and see through it for what it is and it is a lot of things, including the t word

@MarbleQueen and they didn’t die, in perfectly normal every day numbers by the way, because they were old? And old people die quite often? 🤔 Nah it had to be the vaccine. Right.

Must have missed the percentage figures you cite, but if you’re figures are correct then that means, because they’d only used 4% elderly in the trial they should not give the vaccine to the wider elderly population or the wider population with pre existing conditions even though they knew for a fact they were the most at risk from catching the disease and dying anyway? There’s such things as ethics.

I suppose if they’d have tested on more elderly people or more people with conditions and it would have gone wrong you still would have moaned?

Off to look up the numbers

I’m fully vaccinated but the other adults I live with are either unvaccinated or not fully.

I made my decision, which I’m not convinced is right tbh!, and they’ve made theirs, it’s not discussed. All university educated

It's lovely to talk about choice but no choice is made in a vacuum.

There should be a conversation about why some groups of people are much more or less likely to get vaccinated than others. The question really is are they getting the same choice? Do they have access to the same opportunity and information?

If I lose my job if I don't get a vaccination is that a choice? It might be more of a choice if my DH earns 6 figures and I don't have to worry about the mortgage.

If it doesn't get acknowledged that those differences exist they can't be addressed and people don't the fairest chance to decide for themselves.

@MarbleQueen ahhh, the ‘experts’ you don’t trust? How contradictory.

I see that the government didn't feel that brexit was enough to divide and conqure the country, but now it is "The Unvaccinated" brilliant,

I wonder what will be next, and the in the meantime there is a horrible undercurrent running through the country.

Xmasiscancelledagain
Let me guess OP, everyone who lives in your happily vaccinated area is white? And the other area, less so?
You should have just called them some racially derogatory terms and have done with it. The uneducated indeed

What a ridiculous comment. The vast majority people in this country living in poor neighbourhoods are white anyway, but white, black or whatever has nothing to do with what the OP is saying

I live in a poor neighbourhood, people have poor education, even worse than when I was a child, its a problem. If we can't discuss a problem honestly, we can't solve it

@MarbleQueen

The adverse reactions are mostly mild, and many of them less unpleasant than having covid

Pfizer say they are serious. They’re the experts after all so I’ll go with their findings.

They actually list serious and non serious under each category if you read the full report.

However, that does include things such as 16 serious cases of chilblains / rash, so the scale isn't hugely clear.

Isn't it always the same? The folks who voted for Brexit were either old or uneducated and thick and poor or conspiracy theorists according to those who opposed it.

The folks who are unvaccinated are either uneducated or thick and poor or conspiracy theorists.

At one time they said things like this about people who voted labour.

People do what they want to. The information is out there. Live your own life and let others do the same

It don’t understand why you are worried. ‘The Unvaccinated’ as you describe them, have the right to refuse the vaccine if they do wish.
Yes, looking at stats for vaccinations (not just covid) does show that deprived areas have poorer uptake rates. But there will also always be educated people from the least deprived areas who also refuse the vaccine.
There is naff all that you can do about it as we live in a civilised country were people make their own decisions.
On another note, the AZ vaccine is probably the same as being unvaccinated as it offered little to no protection against omicron.

www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine

According to this, 41% of the global trial participants were aged 65-85 so it seems unlikely that only 4% were over 70. I can’t find stats to match that.

@Glassteacups

‘ You say that to try and convince yourself you hold some modicum of intelligence and to satiate your insecurities.

I see through you. Best of luck to your children; they'll need it with you as a parent.’

Ugh. Why are the pro vax anti choice people always so deeply nasty and spiteful?

I’ve had three vaccinations btw and have covid. I believe in vaccines. But I believe even more in people’s right to choose.

I am disgusted by the attitude of some people on here and in the wider world to people who have chosen not to be vaccinated. They sneer at them for their stupidity, whilst they’re the ones acting like thick puppets, taking the bait fed to them by the media and governments who want them to behave exactly like this, turning on their fellow human beings and screeching for their human rights be removed, the thick, dirty, diseased oiks.

Revolting.

What's fucking revolting is so many taking up hospital beds because they won't take this seriously.

People have lost loved ones, hospital beds are being taken up and operations cancelled, and we're potentially facing another year of draconian measures because of this.

I'm fed up with morons pretending to have a deep understanding of vaccines, virology and Big Pharma. I'm sick of people who have nothing better to do playing Doctor Google and repeating utter shite they read on Facebook.

These Facebook types are a scourge on society. They were before 2020 and since covid they have just become more dangerous.

I'm not anti-choice. I don't particularly think their rights should be removed.

But I can fucking well think people have made the wrong decision and are dangerous idiots for doing so.

Over 100 million doses have been administered in the UK alone. There is now no excuse. These people are oiks.

What is weird (and completely unbelievable) is how so many anti vaxxers "know" someone who has a near deadly vaccination reaction. Yet when pressed it is never quite that straight forward (turns out was a FB vid, or their mates Auntie's colleague...)

@MarbleQueen ahhh, the ‘experts’ you don’t trust? How contradictory

Well I think it would be really stupid to trust a trial that was unblinded after just 2 months.

On another note, the AZ vaccine is probably the same as being unvaccinated as it offered little to no protection against omicron.

More misinformation, but I'm not surprised ,this whole site is infested with it lately, and especially at certain times of the day

On another note, the AZ vaccine is probably the same as being unvaccinated as it offered little to no protection against omicron.

Yeah it's only saved tens of thousands of lives and kept many people out of hospital, but because the effectiveness against a new, milder strain is not seeming to be great what a waste of time, eh.

According to this, 41% of the global trial participants were aged 65-85 so it seems unlikely that only 4% were over 70. I can’t find stats to match that

No, you seem to be too busy sneering to read things properly.There has been literally hundreds of reports released. You’ll find that in some reports they can’t keep accurate figures.

Try and read this one. Read carefully on page 23.

www.fda.gov/media/151733/download

@Pensieve

Well if you find a way to stop fake news/misinformation on FB you’ve solved more than the great unvaccinated question.

This.

Life as we knew it has ended. Zuckerberg, Mosk etc will continue to exist. They know it's over and that's why they're spending money on space.

Julian Assange, those and those who tried to tell the truth will die.

I do think we are in an end of times and my children have told me they'll not have children

Facebook won't allow antivax messages and proactively delete them. Prolific posters are banned.
Anti-vaxxers share information via encrypted messaging apps, not Facebook.

@MarbleQueen what has that got to do with trial numbers? I can see it’s about pericarditis, which we know already is a risk? What is the big revelation?

Omg the "in vaccinated" vs the vaccinated is just a ploy to make us all fight each other and implode. I don't agree with the way the government has handled things and I don't trust their motives. Literally these are people that allowed innocent people to die alone, while they had Christmas parties and affairs. You are fighting the wrong evil OP.

The people I know who are unvaccinated are a CEO, a high profile lawyer and another one I can't mention as it would be too outing. All made the choice for themselves. I may disagree, but they're grown, highly educated, adults and it's up to them what they put in their bodies.

@SunscreenCentral Zuckerberg isn't investing in space. He's too busy buying up most of Hawaii!

@Tableto
This is why I specifically said against the Omicron variant. Researchers found two doses only offered between 0 and 20% protection against Omicron.

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