The unvaccinated

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I am genuinely worried about unvaccinated people.

I live in a large northern city. In my naice area 93% of people aged 12+ have have had the first dose of vaccine, 86% the second dose and 74% on boosters.

The areas where there is the least vaccine uptake in my city, is in poorer area's where 33% have the vaccine, these are areas where overall health is poor, education is poor and general outcomes are poor. Despite covid.

I don’t want to start a class war with covid, but it’s really getting hard to ignore that we need to find a way to stop conspiracy theories on Facebook and the like actually targeting people who might not be educated enough to understand what they are reading/seeing.

I say all of this and being gentle.

@LittleRoundRobin. How has the op had a dig at the poor? They are one of the few people to actually say" hang on a minute. Lets not isolate the unvaccinated but talk to them " .
Get off your high horse instead of being a bully.

There are indeed anti vaxxers and covid deniers who have degrees and above. There’s no denying though that these views are very heavily skewed towards those with lower education who suddenly think their opinion and ‘’research’’ is on par with those far more qualified and skilled.

There’s a few reasons why people believe what they do so obviously there will always be outliers.

It’s dangerous OP, I completely agree.

naice city.
northern uk
= insecure.

Nice and gentle? You’ve just criticized and insulted a group of people who have made a choice that’s different from yours. Meanwhile that same group of people accepts that your choice is your choice and has silently and politely allowed you to make your choice with no insults or criticism.

There’s no reason to worry op. Covid has a 99.9 per cent recovery rate. I’m not sure why you think people are uneducated or getting their information from Facebook.

Some people have chosen to wait for more data. They are entitled to do that. I wonder if you have seen the analysis of post authorisation adverse event report?

phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf

The FDA was ordered by a judge to comply with an FOI request regarding data that was used to make the decision to grant Pfizer emergency use authorisation. The report shows that within the first 90 days of the vaccine roll out there were tens of thousands of adverse reactions and over 1200 deaths

Due to the large numbers of spontaneous adverse event reports received for the product, the MAH has prioritised the processing of serious cases, in order to meet expedited regulatory reporting timelines and ensure these reports are available for signal detection and evaluation activity

You do you op and leave other people alone to do what’s best for them. If you’re going to worry perhaps you should worry about why the information in that report wasn’t made available to the public.

@MarbleQueen if the information wasn’t made public how did you find a link on the internet? That is publicly available information? 1200 deaths is probably normal over a 90 day period considering how many naturally, none vaccine related deaths occur daily anyway, and correlation does not prove causation.

See this is the issue, sometimes the logic is flawed.

Another healthcare professional with a masters degree here who is unvaccinated. I know a lot about how drug companies work and that's why I wouldn't touch the vaccine and certainly would not let them anywhere near my children! Ask yourself why Pfizer want to keep their vaccine data hidden for 75 years? Also why immunity from any lawsuits if it's so safe? 🤔

I come from the same class as my sibling in laws partner from a financial view- the difference being, I’ve been to uni. I have not attended a special uni, nor have I got a particularly rigorous degree, however, it has shocked me how little they understand with regard to anatomy, and how little skills they have to digest the information given. They’re not stupid, just lacking the skills needed to understand the wider concept and so get drawn in by unreliable sources. It doesn’t surprise me this is happening globally in specific areas.

'The unvaccinated' are starting to sound like 'the undead'.

@InexperiencedDogOwner

Another healthcare professional with a masters degree here who is unvaccinated. I know a lot about how drug companies work and that's why I wouldn't touch the vaccine and certainly would not let them anywhere near my children! Ask yourself why Pfizer want to keep their vaccine data hidden for 75 years? Also why immunity from any lawsuits if it's so safe? 🤔

Ah, so HCA with 2 GCSEs and penchant for Facebook experts

It’s mistrust of authority OP, and in many cases well placed.

MarbleQueen if the information wasn’t made public how did you find a link on the internet? That is publicly available information? 1200 deaths is probably normal over a 90 day period considering how many naturally, none vaccine related deaths occur daily anyway, and correlation does not prove causation

That information has recently been released. I’m not willing to argue about causation. Pfizer acknowledge themselves that there have been serious adverse effects and deaths, and as you know they have also acknowledged the risk of heart attacks. Read the report and you will see that they have only recorded severe side effects.

I think it’s obvious why they didn’t want to release this report.

who cares?? honestly the unvacced people i know; wear masks, wash well and generally keep to themselves. the few i know have excellent reasons why they are unvacced (allergic reactions to other drugs) and are hesitant not stupid just scared.
sadly i also know of a young woman (30 years if not under) who yesterday needed a heart valve transplant from a vaccine reaction.

You're correct OP, you can't mention things like this though without the omg how judgemental crap.

@EleonorBronte Why did you have to live with it for three years? What led you to believe that you couldn’t foist education on them?

Why do people on MN think it's cute to say 'naice'?
(and yes, I'm aware of the shopping list thread)

@MarbleQueen side effects happen with all medical interventions. The majority of side effects included in the tables are things like nausea, fever, chills, malaise. Hardly serious.

There is a risk of heart attacks yes, but there is also a risk of heart attacks and blood clots etc following covid infection which occurs a lot more frequently. You’re just catastrophising now.

Correlation vs causation actually makes a world of difference, and considering that the elderly were among the first recipients It’s not a complete surprise that some died shortly after.

If someone doesn’t want the vaccine that’s fine, my issue is making those decisions based on cherry picked information, misinterpretation or just not thinking things through. Individuals are free to make their own choice not to have it, but when information is spread around publicly it is dangerous when vulnerable people could die based off their misunderstandings.

Do you think it’s in Pfizer’s best interests to release reports at all, never mind late, if the information was truly damning and if they were actually trying to kill the masses? No. They’d keep it wrapped up forever.

@MarbleQueen during that time period there were nearly 10 million doses of pfizer biotech given in the US alone and that dats covers a number of countries. That death rate is tiny compared to the fatality rate of covid. The adverse reactions are mostly mild, and many of them less unpleasant than having covid.

@InexperiencedDogOwner

Another healthcare professional with a masters degree here who is unvaccinated. I know a lot about how drug companies work and that's why I wouldn't touch the vaccine and certainly would not let them anywhere near my children! Ask yourself why Pfizer want to keep their vaccine data hidden for 75 years? Also why immunity from any lawsuits if it's so safe? 🤔

You don't know much about how drug companies work.

You say that to try and convince yourself you hold some modicum of intelligence and to satiate your insecurities.

I see through you. Best of luck to your children; they'll need it with you as a parent.

‘ You say that to try and convince yourself you hold some modicum of intelligence and to satiate your insecurities.

I see through you. Best of luck to your children; they'll need it with you as a parent.’

Ugh. Why are the pro vax anti choice people always so deeply nasty and spiteful?

I’ve had three vaccinations btw and have covid. I believe in vaccines. But I believe even more in people’s right to choose.

I am disgusted by the attitude of some people on here and in the wider world to people who have chosen not to be vaccinated. They sneer at them for their stupidity, whilst they’re the ones acting like thick puppets, taking the bait fed to them by the media and governments who want them to behave exactly like this, turning on their fellow human beings and screeching for their human rights be removed, the thick, dirty, diseased oiks.

Revolting.

I think we need to look at why people are unvaccinated. If, for example, it is because they can't afford to take time off if they have an adverse reaction, then that is something that is potentially fixable by government. If they are scared of needles, the NHS do provide services to people who are needle phobic. If they feel it is against their religion, then religious leaders reiterating their standpoint might bring more people forward. If it is childcare issues, again, possibly fixable. If they need a female only vaccination centre. that is possible (yes, it has been done in some places, before anyone starts).
So basically, uptake will go up if you remove barriers.

Correlation vs causation actually makes a world of difference, and considering that the elderly were among the first recipients It’s not a complete surprise that some died shortly after

Indeed they did. Because this vaccine was tested on the healthy and given to the extremely sick and elderly.
Only 4 per cent of trial subjects were aged 75 or over.

Only 21 per cent of people in the trial study had a pre existing condition.
95 per cent of people who died with covid had on average 4 per existing conditions.

The trials were a shit show. If you’re happy with that sort of data, that’s great. I’m not.

The adverse reactions are mostly mild, and many of them less unpleasant than having covid

Pfizer say they are serious. They’re the experts after all so I’ll go with their findings.