The unvaccinated out socialising.

[Whiskyinajar]

I know it's unreasonable to expect everyone to stay at home but I'm about to test as a relatives husband has just tested positive. It's now come out that he is unvaccinated ....not sure why. He's told his wife that he doesn't want the vaccine 🙄

What is annoying me is that he has socialised all over Christmas with family and my parents, many who are elderly with underlying health problems and who can ill afford to get this virus.

Everyone now has to test .

Thankfully it seems everyone (apart from him) has had both vaccines and a booster. Risks of them catching it are low but not out of the realms of possibility .

Just feeling irritated that he's taken the risk of not being vaccinated and then mixed with everyone.

No point to this post apart from me letting off steam but grrrrr! So cross.

Missingthewholething - not that it is anyone's business but my own, but, for your information, I have had my vaccinations, and booster, but absolutely defend the right of others not to do so if that is THEIR CHOICE. And nobody, but nobody, should be castigated, ostracised or belittled for excercising a choice.

XenoBitch - thank you!

[quote Tana433]@XenoBitch i actually think, all joking apart, that this vaccine is causing personallity changes in people. People who i have known for years are suddenly spouting the most obnoxious things. Not just about those who dont want the jab but also racist, homophobic just generally nasty judgemental opinions that i would never in a hundred years guess they would have expressed just two or three years ago. It has been quite eye opening.[/quote]
I think it exposes those who are of a personality type that are susceptible to rigid black and white thinking, which in turn, when reinforced by modern media, allows them to only see things in black and white.

I wonder if the unvaccinated by choice realise just how annoying they are at this stage.

Please, please take a step back and seriously think about how you are referring to a group of people and how you think they should be treated.

The attitudes of people like you towards other human beings who have - as is their right - made a decision about a medical process, is utterly sinister and chills me to the bone.

Please just think about what you are saying.

PS I have had three vaccinations and still have just tested positive for covid.

I've had 3 vaccinations and a lot of language I find sinister.

Okay. What I’m saying is that I’m pretty damn annoyed by people who are choosing not to get vaccinated. Do I think you should be denied health care? Of course not.

Do I think you should be banned from pubs, theatres, cinemas, basically any way of having fun until you come to whatever’s left of your senses? Hmmm. That’s a hard one.

(Saying ‘you can catch covid even if you’re vaccinated’ is the new ‘not all smokers get lung cancer’ - not as clever as you think it is).

@XenoBitch

LaBellina:

The unvaccinated sounds like a group of people from a zombie apocalypse movie

Probably the same number of brain cells!

Wow, I bet you are pleased with yourself to come up with that gem.

Nah not really, in reality I'm not arsed it's people's choice and their health. Just fancies being goady.

@orinocosfavoritecake

I wonder if the unvaccinated by choice realise just how annoying they are at this stage.

Not any more annoying than peoples unvaccinated kids out in public.

I honestly despair as to why people cannot grasp that if youre vaccinated you are 70% less likely to need hospital care, you are also less likely to catch and spread it

You'd think after 2 years it would sink in but it doesn't.
ICUs full of unvaccinated patients, time and time again. Doctors reporting in the papers and on TV every single day for months from ICU, telling us 80% or 90 or even every patient with covid intubated or in ICU is unvaccinated but the information just won't go in

The last words a vaccinated 82 year old mother said to to her vaccinated 54 year old disabled / diabetic daughter, when she was was laying in bed ill "Mum I think I have Covid" Her mum's reply "don't be silly your fully vaccinated". 2 hours later she found her dead.

Even if you think people are stupid/selfish/whatever for exercising their right to bodily autonomy you should absolutely defend that right. I personally chose to be vaccinated but respect that others may make a different choice. I don’t think vaccines are some mad conspiracy but at least people are asking questions - I think that never questioning anything is far more dangerous to society than a few unvaccinated people in a largely vaccinated population.

@orinocosfavoritecake

I wonder if the unvaccinated by choice realise just how annoying they are at this stage.

Not as annoying as the halo polishing "vaccinated" who look down on anyone who had not had the vaccine.

Well yes but I have to hope that won’t happen as he’s 32 and fit and healthy. Can’t force him to have it.

IDespairOfTheHumanRace

'The Unvaccinated' - definition:

A new underclass of social pariahs, unclean, usually forced to wear sackcloth and ashes, outcasts, blamed for all the ills of humanity and usually to be seen, in the stocks, outside hospitals and medical centres, being bombarded with used vaccination needles and vials , by the worthy and 'wholesome'

They should be!

Seriously, is there something in the vaccine that makes people turn nasty against anyone who has not had it?

@XenoBitch - I'm glad someone else asked this out loud as the question sure sounds crazy when only in my head...

But if somebody is unvaccinated and becomes more seriously unwell, who looks after their children if their vaccinated partner catches Covid but is less seriously unwell. I get that people have a choice but what if their choice has a detremental impact others.

Some of the comments on here is making me lose my faith in humanity.

@ManchesterTartwithCustard

But if somebody is unvaccinated and becomes more seriously unwell, who looks after their children if their vaccinated partner catches Covid but is less seriously unwell. I get that people have a choice but what if their choice has a detremental impact others.

The children would probably be unvaccinated anyway so who cares

Do I think you should be banned from pubs, theatres, cinemas, basically any way of having fun until you come to whatever’s left of your senses? Hmmm. That’s a hard one.

If everyone else is vaccinated there is no reason to stop unvaccinated to come into venues, unless the vaccine isn't working.

@IDespairOfTheHumanRace

'The Unvaccinated' - definition:

A new underclass of social pariahs, unclean, usually forced to wear sackcloth and ashes, outcasts, blamed for all the ills of humanity and usually to be seen, in the stocks, outside hospitals and medical centres, being bombarded with used vaccination needles and vials , by the worthy and 'wholesome'

This is excellent I will be borrowing your definition!

Oh for God’s sake.

A) The vaccines REDUCE your chance of catching it and of transmitting it and massively reduce your chance of being seriously ill if you catch it. They don’t eliminate any of those. The unvaccinated by choice are still putting the vaccinated at some risk - and they’re putting the minority who can’t get vaccinated or for whom vaccines don’t work at significant risk.

B) If you’re sick in hospital with covid that’s one bed less for Ahmed who’s had a heart attack, Susan who’s depressed, Fred who needs a hip replacement…

(See above re: lung cancer and smoking. Lower risk = good. Higher risk = bad)

Plus

@Againstmachine

Do I think you should be banned from pubs, theatres, cinemas, basically any way of having fun until you come to whatever’s left of your senses? Hmmm. That’s a hard one.

If everyone else is vaccinated there is no reason to stop unvaccinated to come into venues, unless the vaccine isn't working.

That's because it is nothing to do with science, and all to do with punishing people.

@ManchesterTartwithCustard

But if somebody is unvaccinated and becomes more seriously unwell, who looks after their children if their vaccinated partner catches Covid but is less seriously unwell. I get that people have a choice but what if their choice has a detremental impact others.

People make choices that impact on others all the time. I once had to go to a&e on a Saturday morning… I had to sit for 6 hours because it was full of injuries incurred at amateur sporting events. Those people chose to play Saturday morning football, I didn’t choose to develop sepsis as a result of an infections I have had my three vaccines. I then caught covid. I have no interest in other peoples vaccine status… My body, my choice, their body, their choice.

@orinocosfavoritecake

Oh for God’s sake.

A) The vaccines REDUCE your chance of catching it and of transmitting it and massively reduce your chance of being seriously ill if you catch it. They don’t eliminate any of those. The unvaccinated by choice are still putting the vaccinated at some risk - and they’re putting the minority who can’t get vaccinated or for whom vaccines don’t work at significant risk.

B) If you’re sick in hospital with covid that’s one bed less for Ahmed who’s had a heart attack, Susan who’s depressed, Fred who needs a hip replacement…

(See above re: lung cancer and smoking. Lower risk = good. Higher risk = bad)

Plus

As of Dec 2nd here in wales, 76.1% of patients testing positive with covid in hospital were double vaccinated…

@orinocosfavoritecake

Oh for God’s sake.

A) The vaccines REDUCE your chance of catching it and of transmitting it and massively reduce your chance of being seriously ill if you catch it. They don’t eliminate any of those. The unvaccinated by choice are still putting the vaccinated at some risk - and they’re putting the minority who can’t get vaccinated or for whom vaccines don’t work at significant risk.

B) If you’re sick in hospital with covid that’s one bed less for Ahmed who’s had a heart attack, Susan who’s depressed, Fred who needs a hip replacement…

(See above re: lung cancer and smoking. Lower risk = good. Higher risk = bad)

Plus

And the unvaccinated not by choice, such as children, are still putting the vaccinated at exactly the same risk. I mean, come on now, if one wants to try and look as if they are going down the science and facts and public health road of argument, then they also can't differentiate the reasons for someone being unvaccinated. Unvaccinated is unvaccinated. Period.