The unvaccinated out socialising.

[Whiskyinajar]

I know it's unreasonable to expect everyone to stay at home but I'm about to test as a relatives husband has just tested positive. It's now come out that he is unvaccinated ....not sure why. He's told his wife that he doesn't want the vaccine 🙄

What is annoying me is that he has socialised all over Christmas with family and my parents, many who are elderly with underlying health problems and who can ill afford to get this virus.

Everyone now has to test .

Thankfully it seems everyone (apart from him) has had both vaccines and a booster. Risks of them catching it are low but not out of the realms of possibility .

Just feeling irritated that he's taken the risk of not being vaccinated and then mixed with everyone.

No point to this post apart from me letting off steam but grrrrr! So cross.

@ichundich

Can you read? I wrote 'people who haven't had 2 jabs and a booster out of choice'.

Well that makes no sense though. I've had 2 jabs but not a booster. How does that make me unvaccinated? I had my second jab at the end of September. Does that mean a person who had their booster around that same time is also unvaccinated, since protection wanes after so long?

I had my second jab at the end of September. Does that mean a person who had their booster around that same time is also unvaccinated, since protection wanes after so long?

This is the case in Israel yes, you both would not be fully vaccinated.

I’m 100% pro vaccination. I’ve had both jabs and my booster. I’ve still caught covid.

I don’t think that the main issue is that unvaccinated people are the only people passing covid on to others (though they might be a bit more likely to do so). It’s that they are more likely to get seriously ill and overwhelm the NHS.

So yes, I agree that he’s selfish. But not necessarily for potentially infecting your family.

Some lovely people on this forum, it's worse than the Daily Mail comments, what sort of twat has a thread title 'the unvaccinated'

@ichundich

Can you read? I wrote 'people who haven't had 2 jabs and a booster out of choice'.

@Waxonwaxoff0

There will be situations when it makes sense to refer to people who aren't fully vaccinated against Covid. I don't think "the unvaccinated" is anymore "offensive" than:
the blind
the elderly
the disabled
the young

myenglishgrammar.com/list-6-adjectives/collective-adjectives-describing-group-of-people.html

@sirfredfredgeorge

I had my second jab at the end of September. Does that mean a person who had their booster around that same time is also unvaccinated, since protection wanes after so long?

This is the case in Israel yes, you both would not be fully vaccinated.

So basically, everyone is going to be classed as unvaccinated after a certain length of time. So we're all in the same boat.

@sirfredfredgeorge

I had my second jab at the end of September. Does that mean a person who had their booster around that same time is also unvaccinated, since protection wanes after so long?

This is the case in Israel yes, you both would not be fully vaccinated.

Israel have suspended their 4th round of vaccinations due to real world data showing mild omicron infections.

Do some reading about how viruses spread or have talk to some of the bereaved

Why do people always use the "talk/tell that to the bereaved" line to try to score points or shut down opposing arguments. As one of "the bereaved" it seriously pisses me off that others feel they can speak for me....you can't so stop it. Use your own feelings and grief but leave the rest of us out of it.

Current hospitilisations are nationally 26% unvaccinated and 74% vaccinated so not sure why you would be only blaming the unvaccinated patients for any further restrictions?

Wouldn't that be roughly same as the unvaccinated Vs vaccinated anyway. Which is contrary to many reports.

I've had all three jabs but still happily mix with family members who are not vaccinated. I've done what I'm comfortable with and they've done the same.

There will be situations when it makes sense to refer to people who aren't fully vaccinated against Covid. I don't think "the unvaccinated" is anymore "offensive" than:
the blind
the elderly
the disabled
the young

I have not seen many posts on MN where "the unvaccinated" is used that is not part of a massive rant about them. It is easier to say things like "the unvaccinated should be denied NHS treatment", and things like they are arrogant, selfish, prolonging the pandemic, have blood on their hands etc, when you can detach yourself from the fact that every single person who has not been vaccinated has a reason for it, and they are not one homogenous mass. "The unvaccinated" is dehumanising and is often used on MN in a divisive way.

@Newyearnewme2022

I really can’t get worked up about the unvaccinated, I’m triple jabbed and can still catch and spread it, if someone doesn’t get the jabs I think it’s only their own health they are putting at risk. My ex brother in law died at the age of 50 from pneumonia caused by COVID, he was slim and fit and unvaccinated, ex sister in law who is overweight and has asthma didn’t test positive throughout, she is vaxxed.

You do realise people have died after being vaccinated? A young mum no health problems double jabbed died end of summer from covid. Another guy who works in our local Morrison’s and he was double jabbed at the time as well. Sadly people have always died of pneumonia from flu and other viruses in old enough to know people die suddenly and they were healthy even before covid. Your argument is very flawed and you know it. Life is Russian roulette especially with viruses that’s why this thing you can’t fight against it, it will do what other viruses have done for humanity since forever. Some die if it and some don’t. This is the worst vaccine in history with no long term data and sadly in people are dying anyway. Give your head a wobble

Vaccinated can still catch and spread Covid, so what's the problem?

The unvaccinated 😂

Op, is this a wind up?!

It's now come out that he is unvaccinated ....

Why would that bother you?!

And how is your 'unvaccinated' friend OP. Fine i'll bet except maybe for some cold/flu symptoms. Not sure if you are aware but double and triple jabbed can still catch and transmit covid. Worry about yourself instead of others and we would all get along much better. The 'Unvaccinated' are not some fascinating new species moving around the world and infecting those who have had the jab you know.

Everyone I know who's caught/spread covid has been vaccinated, I tend to think now that you're just protecting yourself from serious illness. As your parents have been vaccinated I'm sure they'll be fine, as for your relative, that's his lookout and he might not be one of the lucky ones who gets it mildly (like the local chap I know who was an anti vaxxer and died age 37)

Oh for goodness sake. When did we lose the
ability to think critically?

Everyone is getting it and vaccines don’t matter a jot in that respect. Take it to protect yourself

@ashorterday

Everyone I know who's caught/spread covid has been vaccinated, I tend to think now that you're just protecting yourself from serious illness. As your parents have been vaccinated I'm sure they'll be fine, as for your relative, that's his lookout and he might not be one of the lucky ones who gets it mildly (like the local chap I know who was an anti vaxxer and died age 37)

You sound pleased that the poor chap died

@Againstmachine

I don't understand why the fully vaccinated are panicked by socialising with someone who isn't, it's almost as if you don't think the vaccine works.

I'm fully vaccinated but I don't care if someone isn't.

100% this... with bells on!!

My husband isn’t vaccinated. I respect his decision.
Doesn’t mean he’s excluded from social situations ffs. He tests beforehand. Others are vaccinated to protect themselves.
The vaccine isn’t proven to stop the spread anyway.. quite clearly as it’s rife right now!
He and I and my son will suffer if he catches it and is seriously ill.. no one else. It’s a risk he’s willing to take!

@IDespairOfTheHumanRace

'The Unvaccinated' - definition:

A new underclass of social pariahs, unclean, usually forced to wear sackcloth and ashes, outcasts, blamed for all the ills of humanity and usually to be seen, in the stocks, outside hospitals and medical centres, being bombarded with used vaccination needles and vials , by the worthy and 'wholesome'

They should be!

IDespairOfTheHumanRace

'The Unvaccinated' - definition:

A new underclass of social pariahs, unclean, usually forced to wear sackcloth and ashes, outcasts, blamed for all the ills of humanity and usually to be seen, in the stocks, outside hospitals and medical centres, being bombarded with used vaccination needles and vials , by the worthy and 'wholesome'

They should be!

Seriously, is there something in the vaccine that makes people turn nasty against anyone who has not had it?

@KatyRebecca84

My husband isn’t vaccinated. I respect his decision. Doesn’t mean he’s excluded from social situations ffs. He tests beforehand. Others are vaccinated to protect themselves. The vaccine isn’t proven to stop the spread anyway.. quite clearly as it’s rife right now! He and I and my son will suffer if he catches it and is seriously ill.. no one else. It’s a risk he’s willing to take!

Not quite no-one else if he's hospitalised. He'll take up a much needed bed and quite possibly stop someone else getting their surgery.

And he is more likely to need hospitalisation, statistically.

That's the bit that's upsetting.

@XenoBitch i actually think, all joking apart, that this vaccine is causing personallity changes in people. People who i have known for years are suddenly spouting the most obnoxious things. Not just about those who dont want the jab but also racist, homophobic just generally nasty judgemental opinions that i would never in a hundred years guess they would have expressed just two or three years ago. It has been quite eye opening.