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Govt plans re unvaccinated feels like a change is afoot

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whenwillthemadnessend · 21/12/2021 11:51

Anyone noticed the govt and news sources seem to be covering more and more stories regarding the unvaccinated (by choice)
I feel they might be ramping up support for restrictions for unvaccinated people.
It's feel very much like propaganda and warm up the masses.
Anyone agree or noticed this in the last 3/4 days?

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Nonnymum · 21/12/2021 13:34

They will never bring in compulsory vaccination but they may make it conditional to access certain venues or sevices etc. It's not the same thing. People will still be able to refuse it they just won't be able to access certain things. Fair enough I would argue.

Cornettoninja · 21/12/2021 13:34

*Cornettoninja
Since when did you need a driving licence to participate in everyday life in your home country?

Have you tried to open a bank account, rent accommodation or get a job without official ID? As a starting point for accessing everything in society you need to prove who you are and that your eligible to be here

You can absolutely do those things without passports and driving licenses there are alternative ways provide by banks*

Yes you can, but you still need to provide evidence. You can’t just rock up to a bank, landlord or employer and expect them to just take your word for it.

clopper · 21/12/2021 13:35

But it does feel like some kind of group is targeting here because there has been an absolute flurry of threads suggesting unvaccinated people are thick; deserve to die; selfish, etc. With no understanding or recognition of the people who can't be vaccinated. There's a high push on here to see 'other' people's deaths as acceptable collateral damage. That is not a good path to go down.

Thankfully, everywhere else ie social media, news, RL - is very firm against dividing society into two camps and more nuanced than the numpties on here.

As shinyhappyposter says. Agree with this wholeheartedly.

whymewhyme · 21/12/2021 13:36

I bloody hope not...scary!

IncessantNameChanger · 21/12/2021 13:37

No but tbh I'm avoiding the news right now. All I need to know is daily case numbers and new laws. The rest is just part of the non stop covid blurb. I can only take in so much at certain times and I want to feel Christmasy and happy for a little while.

nojudgementhere · 21/12/2021 13:37

But it does feel like some kind of group is targeting here because there has been an absolute flurry of threads suggesting unvaccinated people are thick; deserve to die; selfish, etc.

This is exactly what I've been thinking too! It would be great if somebody from Mumsnet HQ would investigate.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 21/12/2021 13:37

I think the government, cynical as they are, would much rather the unvaccinated through choice actually get their finger out and drop the anti science crap and get vaccinated, rather than loving having them around as scapegoats Hmm

MistressoftheDarkSide · 21/12/2021 13:37

Have we got the resources for repetitive testing? For repetitive vaccines and boosters? For isolation of the asymptomatic? If testing for natural immunity will add another line of defence why shouldn't it be added to the toolbox? The only reason why not that I can fathom is that people might remain unvaccinated, and why shouldn't they if their risk is identified as commensurate with the vaccinated. Which might interfere with profits from the vaccine of course. But if this was all simply about public health then surely all possible mitigations, including natural immunity should be utilised.

Ontheblink · 21/12/2021 13:38

**LynxGiftsetAndSocks

They should have the option to pay for it privately and use it.

Cornettoninja · 21/12/2021 13:38

@LynxGiftsetAndSocks

Have we got the resources to test all the unvaccinated on the off chance they have natural immunity though?
Not really.

Plus the vaccines are still being monitored (by those dastardly corporate pharmaceuticals amongst others) so there would need to be an equivalent to track levels of immunity over time to provide the same information to make policy decisions with. There are some current studies I believe but I don’t think the numbers of people are quite high enough to be as reliable as vaccination studies.

ChiefStockingStuffer · 21/12/2021 13:39

I have noticed it and am board with stricter rules for those who have chosen not to be vaccinated for non-medical reasons.

They are the very significant percentage filling up hospital beds with covid, preventing everyone else from getting timely care for all the other medical issues that didn't stop existing just because we have covid in our midst. If they don't want to be vaccinated, fine, but they need to stop contributing to the spread and resulting depletion of resources (nhs time and space) thrown at them because of it.

And it's not the same as smoking/being obese/adventure sports before anyone starts ... they don't all swamp hospitals across the country at the same time for weeks on end.

HamCob · 21/12/2021 13:40

@Flapjacker48

Good, the state should make life as inconvenient as possible for those who choose not to have the vaccination.
And I think this is exactly what they will do. The gov have made it clear that they wouldn't bring In mandatory vaccination. I imagine they are watching other European countries with interest and will eventually bring in vaccine passports here. Without a jab you will eventually be very restricted in terms of what you can do. The public has made it clear they have no appetite for a constant cycle of restrictions and lockdowns. Something has to give. This will be it.
92miles · 21/12/2021 13:40

@Incognito22333

I am triple vaccinated and don’t have time for anti vaxxers. However, social restrictions affect mainly the young and healthy who use those leisure activities when medically speaking, it is the middle aged and old that really need to be vaccinated for the greater good of society. So I would make it mandatory for state benefits to be received, state pensions etc at the same time as leisure activities.
'the greater good of society' Utilitarianism going strong in 2021 I see!
userperuser · 21/12/2021 13:40

@nojudgementhere

But it does feel like some kind of group is targeting here because there has been an absolute flurry of threads suggesting unvaccinated people are thick; deserve to die; selfish, etc.

This is exactly what I've been thinking too! It would be great if somebody from Mumsnet HQ would investigate.

While I think there are a lot from groups on here unfortunately there are also a few of very long term posters (I recognise a few from the Brexit threads weirdly spouting similar sorts of nonsense about leave voters).
EmmaOvary · 21/12/2021 13:41

"I'm severely Pro choice (With a hint of anti vax)
You get one jab - you still catch and pass on Covid
You get jab two - you still catch and pass on Covid
You get jab three - you still catch and pass on Covid
The product is faulty - Lets blame the people who aren't jabbed."

What a stupid comment.

92miles · 21/12/2021 13:41

@TheCountessofFitzdotterel

I think the government, cynical as they are, would much rather the unvaccinated through choice actually get their finger out and drop the anti science crap and get vaccinated, rather than loving having them around as scapegoats Hmm
Why does 'unvaccinated' equate to 'anti science' in your world?
Dollymantra · 21/12/2021 13:42

I don’t think there’s a group targeting here. The majority of people I know (professional, left leaning- usually very vocal about protecting civil liberties) want to see restrictions brought in for the unvaccinated.

Listening to the radio 2 phone in earlier, a lot of people feel this way.

Obviously it’s not ideal, but there isn’t really any other choice is there?

I think Boris will find he will have cross party support for restrictions for the unvaccinated.

Mumknowsbest79 · 21/12/2021 13:43

Everything that is happening is by design, digital currency and digital ID, go look at China, that is what they want for the rest of the world...mass censorship of information is the first sign of a totalitarian regime rising, yes we don't have the resources to police all these things you say, but why police when you can brainwash the masses to police themselves.

blobby10 · 21/12/2021 13:43

Whilst I wouldn't be happy to see vaccine passports introduced, if it did become law to show them for access to nightclubs, theatres, cinemas, gigs, concerts etc then it wouldn't force me to get the vaccine as I avoid crowded places like the plague and can't afford to go to the theatre and suchlike. Same with going abroad for holidays - can't afford holidays so don't go.

To those saying the unvaccinated are going to be the ones ending up in hospital, thats assuming everyone will catch Covid and be ill (whatever happened to the 95% of people who get it (Alpha/Delta) will recover quickly stats) and if someone doesn't go out to crowded places, doesn't have children and works alone then the chances of actually catching the virus is exceedingly small.

LondonWolf · 21/12/2021 13:44

@Dollymantra

Yep I’ve heard about lockdown for the unvaccinated and also NHS charging for their care should they become unwell.

I would definitely support

You know when you look back in history and wonder how the public allowed the ushering in of authoritarian regimes? Well here it is…

I am triple vaccinated as is my vulnerable 18 year old and my 15 yo has had their first vaccination and will be taken for their second the minute it’s permitted. But I cannot support the othering and sanctioning of individuals who for their own reasons do not wish to have this invasive procedure on their own bodies. I am horrified that anyone would support this.

Ontheblink · 21/12/2021 13:44

Just to add, Chris Whitty mentioned previous infection being a possible reason for low hospitalisation rates in SA. Are we not allowed to develop the same immunity as UK citizens? Hmm

CovidCurious · 21/12/2021 13:44

Yes, I have noticed this and I am pleased about it.

I think mandatory vaccination is not the way forward. It will just entrench positions and some rich imbecile will probably start funding the fines for the anti-vax martyrs.

However, I would support vaccine passports. If they want a social life they can get the jab. They are not without choice.

Rocaille · 21/12/2021 13:45

I agree OP. I've noticed the same. I don't welcome it.

whymewhyme · 21/12/2021 13:45

@EmmaOvary

"I'm severely Pro choice (With a hint of anti vax) You get one jab - you still catch and pass on Covid You get jab two - you still catch and pass on Covid You get jab three - you still catch and pass on Covid The product is faulty - Lets blame the people who aren't jabbed."

What a stupid comment.

This
curlymom · 21/12/2021 13:46

@CrunchyCarrot

Once you are vaccinated or have 'natural' immunity your ability to spread virus particles is severely reduced. The virus can barely replicate in you thanks to antibodies. Therefore how many are actually being exhaled for others to catch? Not many at all. I wish people would stop saying vaccinated people can transmit the virus just the same an non-immune people. It's simply not true.
Yes this is true. I’m a scientist. Most people don’t get it