Govt plans re unvaccinated feels like a change is afoot

[whenwillthemadnessend]

Anyone noticed the govt and news sources seem to be covering more and more stories regarding the unvaccinated (by choice)
I feel they might be ramping up support for restrictions for unvaccinated people.
It's feel very much like propaganda and warm up the masses.
Anyone agree or noticed this in the last 3/4 days?

And by the way this is what cancel culture and social media mobs and shaming ultimately results in. I’ve seen multiple assertions on here over the years that if you don’t do/say anything unacceptable then you don’t need to worry about social media mobs etc, well now we can see that such handling of “socially unacceptable” behaviour will be used for all “transgressions” and one day it will be your turn.

Being unvaccinated will soon be akin to being a smoker. Slowly banned and outlawed from general society and deemed socially unacceptable, it’s one of the reasons I was vaccinated.

I think one of the first steps will be allowing employers the right to not pay them when they have to isolate. Another will be making any travel by airplane impossible without vaccination, even if we don’t impose it the majority of the world will do.

I figured another way will be mandates around their behaviour such as increased fines for the unvaccinated when not wearing a face mask when mandates are in place.

It will be incremental changes at first to influence a change of heart and make the ostracism palatable to the public.

In NYC you can't order at Starbucks without showing your vaccine record and ID, and most likely giving your phone number for contact tracing. You can't go to a restaurant, or a movie, a play, a museum, a doctor's appointment, anything, without it.

And all for a virus that for the overwhelming majority is mild.

@clopper

If an unvaccinated person wears a mask, tests regularly, avoids risk as far as possible etc why is that not enough? This ^ I just can’t believe the intolerance I read on here. It doesn’t reflect my experience in real life. Reading all this vitriol, you would think that only the unvaccinated are passing the disease and ending up in hospital.

I’ve just watched the local news at lunchtime to see a consultant telling us that 94% of the people in ICU in the area are unvaccinated covid patients. If 15% of the population is untaxed, then they are taking up a massively disproportionate amount of resources.

Plus I have read that having had covid previously does not confer sufficient immunity to make a difference against Omicron, leaving unvaxxed but previously infected people with waaay too little protection against the now-dominant strain.

Massachusetts just put out some very interesting data on vaccination.

Last week, unvaccinated people were 31x more likely to be infected with Covid than boosted individuals. (Hence why the government might want to restrict their activities in crowded indoor spaces.)

Since December 2020, only 0.05% of all vaccinated residents have been hospitalized, no death, with Covid; only 0.014% of all vaccinated residents have died with Covid. (Hence why the government might want to put pressure on people to be vaccinated.)

We don't know what will happen with omicron. But to this point, it's not surprising that the government would put restrictions in place.

Good.
The sooner the better.

A Chief Exec of UK firm on LinkedIn said the vax will be a condition for new hires from Jan. I was surprised because I can’t see how this is legal?

Everything that is happening is by design, digital currency and digital ID

I agree. Digital ID is the main reason vaccine passports are being pushed, not public health. It's clearly a priority and is being advanced at every opportunity, no matter how tenuously, e.g. the vandalism of the Marcus Rashford mural and the killing of Sir David Amess.

@Ontheblink

Just to add, Chris Whitty mentioned previous infection being a possible reason for low hospitalisation rates in SA. Are we not allowed to develop the same immunity as UK citizens?

That’s why they let it run ‘hot’ over the summer, when the NHS had capacity. Now it doesn’t so deciding now would be a good time to allow people to develop immunity would result in more deaths both from covid and other things.

I can’t imagine forced medical procedures will get through parliament here. Consent is the name of the game in the British legal system.

Won’t stop the stupid falling into witch hunt mentality though because they’re incapable of listening to history.

Pagan, Jew, witch, Gnostic, Templar catholic, Protestant, Jew, communist unvaccinated to name but a few.

MN has become worse that the comments sections of YouTube and Facebook.

"And all for a virus that for the overwhelming majority is mild."

Tell that to the families of the 5 million dead worldwide, and counting.

And then there are the people who have had a bad reaction or experience with the first two vaccines- being completely ignored and just continually told to go get the bloody booster. Sorry, zero confidence in the booster after my terrible experience with the first jabs. Yes they can shove their booster as far as I am concerned.

@Ontheblink

Just to add, Chris Whitty mentioned previous infection being a possible reason for low hospitalisation rates in SA. Are we not allowed to develop the same immunity as UK citizens?

And how does the NHS deal with all those requiring medical treatment while this is happening?

Are you ok if we say those who are unvaccinated by choice and want to take the risk for themselves will not get any medical care so it is available for others who did the right thing or couldn't get vaccinated for medical reasons?

Yes it is a ridiculous suggestion not to treat people when they need it, what is your solution so those who did the right thing do not have to the burden of risk you have decided to take?

@Tittyfilarious81

Ah, the unvaccinated the group of people who it's acceptable to kick and abuse even when lots of them have genuine reasons for not been vaccinated they all just get lumped together . I know several people who have had covid including myself and the 3 who ended up in ICU were fully vaccinated at the time everyone else either unvaccinated or 1 dose was fine at home with no assistance from the nhs but let's just keep blaming the unvaccinated. The government want this group to be blamed because they provide an excuse for the shit show that is currently the nhs it's completely mismanaged and rather than own up they have focused the blame onto the unvaccinated .

Glad someone else can see this, the NHS can’t cope because of tory underfunding & mismanagement but yeah easier to use smoke & mirrors to direct everyone else's anger & frustration to another group of people. Another thing I find disturbing about this pandemic is how quickly people are turning on each other, long time friendships ended, families split apart, the tories have done a right job on us, playing us all off, look over there (while they have their fingers in the till)

@EmmaOvary

"And all for a virus that for the overwhelming majority is mild."

Tell that to the families of the 5 million dead worldwide, and counting.

Out of almost 8 billion? Come on! 9.6 million die of cancer every year!

What about those that cannot be vaccinated? Will there actually an exemption pass, and what red tape will they have to go through to gain one? Or will GP's be able to give out exemption letters (which they refused to do for the mask exempt)?

@userperuser

MN has become worse that the comments sections of YouTube and Facebook.

Just get vaccinated. It’s really not that difficult.

@MollyQueenOfSocks

Good. Why should I and the rest of the vaccinated who have followed the rules stay home for the small percentage of selfish pricks?

If you don't want to get vaccinated, fine. But the rest of us shouldn't have to suffer YOUR concequences.

Well Good As long as you don't spread the covid onto anyone - as a vaccinated person - there won't be any covid going around, right?

As the 'small percentage of selfish pricks' will be highly likely overwhelming the NHS so not able to spread it anywhere, right???
Can't freely spread it in clubs and Winterwonderlands if you are unconscious in ITU, right???

We already unhealthy choices through the sugar tax, alcohol and tobacco duties, and if you want to drive rather than walk or cycle, you’ll pay tax on your fuel, too.

Perhaps we should just turn to the Inland Revenue to deal with those who won’t vaccinate (not can’t be vaccinated)? I’m only half joking - IIRC Switzerland will not cover medical bills for unvaccinated people who catch Covid.

@whenwillthemadnessend

5 live !!!

I think 5 love sounds better 🤣😛

The government want this group to be blamed because they provide an excuse for the shit show that is currently the nhs it's completely mismanaged and rather than own up they have focused the blame onto the unvaccinated .

Yes, they've had two years since the beginning of the pandemic to try to build capacity in the NHS and as far as I can see they've done little, apart from giving staff an insulting real-terms pay cut.

@EmmaOvary

"And all for a virus that for the overwhelming majority is mild."

Tell that to the families of the 5 million dead worldwide, and counting.

As one of those families I have to agree with userperuser. For the majority it is a mild illness. Please do not presume to know what every family thinks.

Ahhh we’re back to the NHS again. Heavily underfunded.