Govt plans re unvaccinated feels like a change is afoot

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Anyone noticed the govt and news sources seem to be covering more and more stories regarding the unvaccinated (by choice)
I feel they might be ramping up support for restrictions for unvaccinated people.
It's feel very much like propaganda and warm up the masses.
Anyone agree or noticed this in the last 3/4 days?

@gannett

Actually I think you'll find many people are equally concerned that all these issues are somewhat related.....

I've only seen it on here

@Honeyhorse

Where does that leave me? With a genuine needle phobia? I haven’t had any yet but am in the process of getting counselling to overcome this, which may be delayed due to more restrictions.

I feel really sad that this is something that may be considered

I have posted on a couple of your threads and I am sorry for your struggle. However, we are nearly two years into this pandemic. You’ve had plenty of time to seek help.

We can’t keep trashing the economy, industries, mental and physical health of millions forever.

I don’t particularly think I should pay the tax that I do when several people I know are receiving disability and mobility benefits for health issues caused by being overweight.

Just out of interest what would you do with your needle phobia if you needed, for example, life saving treatment that required needles?

I have a phobia of heights. Absolutely terrified, can't even stand in a chair, but I know that if I really had to, in a matter of life and death, I'd do it.

Really interesting that after every few posts of discussion up comes another poster spouting the selfish prick mantra.... it's almost as though rational debate us being discouraged.....

Re needle phobia people: it looks like there will be a nasal spray available very soon. As a long term thing, you really do all need to get some CBT or whatever and start getting control of the phobia. Needles are used in all kinds of medical procedures; they aren't going away.

Get a diazepam from your GP and get vaccinated. Many needle phobics I know have done this. It's your duty, we all have things that scare us. You can do it, call the GP now.

So sympathetic.

Any nasal spray in development will be at least a year away. That's a long time in terms of this pandemic. Would be great though, people could get it from the chemist and self-dispense, would save an army of NHS staff and volunteers dealing with vaccinating.

Good idea.

Some medical staff might face compulsory vaccination against covid, as they already do for hepatitis. To protect themselves and their patients.

@MistressoftheDarkSide

Really interesting that after every few posts of discussion up comes another poster spouting the selfish prick mantra.... it's almost as though rational debate us being discouraged.....

MN has been littered with these comments over the last week or 2.

Sonex

Clearly you have never suffered DV. Your comments are disgraceful.

I just find it a bit strange how immunity from previous infection identified in unvaccinated is not being brought in as an option- you develop antibodies, same as with a vaccine so surely that should and could be an option for those who are hesitant . It has never even been discussed which is all the more reason for people to be hesitant!

@userperuser

Indeed. I gave up posting after the threads that must not be named were deleted. But now I don't see why I shouldn't contribute - my skin has thickened somewhat and my interest in the greater good covers concerns about marginalisation of vulnerable groups.

No

If an unvaccinated person wears a mask, tests regularly, avoids risk as far as possible etc why is that not enough?
This ^ I just can’t believe the intolerance I read on here. It doesn’t reflect my experience in real life. Reading all this vitriol, you would think that only the unvaccinated are passing the disease and ending up in hospital.

Some thinktank in league with the FDA probably infiltrating Mumsnet, just like those spies from UK Punting! Is nowhere safe?!

Have we got the resources to test all the unvaccinated on the off chance they have natural immunity though?

I am triple vaccinated and don’t have time for anti vaxxers. However, social restrictions affect mainly the young and healthy who use those leisure activities when medically speaking, it is the middle aged and old that really need to be vaccinated for the greater good of society. So I would make it mandatory for state benefits to be received, state pensions etc at the same time as leisure activities.

I'd much rather they locked the unvaxxed down rather than everyone, after all they're much more likely to need hospital care - and it's not the same as poor choices leading to obesity/alcoholism etc as covid is contagious so a lot more difficult to deal with in a busy hospital than those things.

In my experience (working with the general public all the way through this shitshow) is if people are unvaccinated they tend to also not wear a mask

Just from what I've observed.

No, I don't think so. Although the Tories are adept at creating two tier societies from a financial pov, they're not generally the party of infringing on civil liberties to that extent.

But it does feel like some kind of group is targeting here because there has been an absolute flurry of threads suggesting unvaccinated people are thick; deserve to die; selfish, etc. With no understanding or recognition of the people who can't be vaccinated. There's a high push on here to see 'other' people's deaths as acceptable collateral damage. That is not a good path to go down.

Thankfully, everywhere else ie social media, news, RL - is very firm against dividing society into two camps and more nuanced than the numpties on here.

I wouldn’t be surprised and probably had majority support amongst the general public. Although it’s something I think we should avoid at all costs. Many because it plays into the conspiracy theories that some anti vaxers are taken in by.

Ooh, punishment restrictions for 'the unvaccinated,' some of this lot will be pissing themselves with excitement!

We should start punishing EVERYBODY who needs medical treatment as a result of their own choices, what a world that would be! 😄

Ah, the unvaccinated the group of people who it's acceptable to kick and abuse even when lots of them have genuine reasons for not been vaccinated they all just get lumped together . I know several people who have had covid including myself and the 3 who ended up in ICU were fully vaccinated at the time everyone else either unvaccinated or 1 dose was fine at home with no assistance from the nhs but let's just keep blaming the unvaccinated. The government want this group to be blamed because they provide an excuse for the shit show that is currently the nhs it's completely mismanaged and rather than own up they have focused the blame onto the unvaccinated .