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Govt plans re unvaccinated feels like a change is afoot

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whenwillthemadnessend · 21/12/2021 11:51

Anyone noticed the govt and news sources seem to be covering more and more stories regarding the unvaccinated (by choice)
I feel they might be ramping up support for restrictions for unvaccinated people.
It's feel very much like propaganda and warm up the masses.
Anyone agree or noticed this in the last 3/4 days?

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IcedPurple · 21/12/2021 12:48

No.

The Tory party would never agree to it, and Boris can't risk another revolt.

LynxGiftsetAndSocks · 21/12/2021 12:50

I'd definitely welcome security on our door!

Staff had to man the door at the height of covid, keeping numbers down in store....my god, the abuse was off the scale!!

StucklnAChimneyCantGetOutOflt · 21/12/2021 12:53

No but did read that other countries are making vaccines mandatory, slapping with fines or making those that get sick pay for their own healthcare.

the80sweregreat · 21/12/2021 12:53

I've heard of people being allowed in the stores without a mask on and they haven't had an exemption lanyard either. Wasn't challenged either.
(I obviously only know rogue people of which I'm
Not one )
I guess that online deliveries will have to be stepped up a lot , this might suit the stores though , the pesky customers staying home while the workforce do all their shopping for them in peace and just delivery drivers up to 10 pm.
I'm sure that the very big businesses will make it to their own advantages of saving money !

Dollymantra · 21/12/2021 12:56

@StucklnAChimneyCantGetOutOflt yes that’s what I have heard too. The NHS already charges non residents for their care, so the processes are already set up.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 21/12/2021 12:57

Judging by the support for measures against the unvaccinated reported here, wouldn't they give Boris a massive boost among the pollsters? The Parliamentary revolters would then be seen as just politically contrarionist? Right now the only focus is on Covid and the bigger picture seems to be regarded as irrelevant, and I get the impression that until we've explored the authoritarian route to its grim conclusion, the public won't be happy.

It's entirely possible that the rundown NHS will be overwhelmed for a combination if reasons, not just the pressure from the unvaccinated, which we cant seem to get a reliable fix on. But it's now considered heresy to go there of course.

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Kokeshi123 · 21/12/2021 12:59

I don't much like it all, but if we do end up with a long term problem of unvaxxed people car-crashing hospitals each winter....well, these kinds of rules are better than lockdowns for everyone.

I do feel hopeful that we won't need either, though, as omicron looks like it's going to produce only an echo of the previous winter, judging from the data we are now seeing from Denmark and so on.

Re needle phobia people: it looks like there will be a nasal spray available very soon. As a long term thing, you really do all need to get some CBT or whatever and start getting control of the phobia. Needles are used in all kinds of medical procedures; they aren't going away.

Dollymantra · 21/12/2021 12:59

Also to anyone with severe anxiety, housebound vax teams are now operating by primary care and mental health trusts. They can get specialist staff out to help you. Please reach out for help Flowers

Jaxhog · 21/12/2021 13:01

I don't get the 'civil liberty' argument. You have a driving license, don't you? You show a ticket when on a train, bus etc?

And just because the vaccine doesn't give 100% coverage, doesn't mean it doesn't work!

Alarmset · 21/12/2021 13:01

I don't think "the masses" will need warming up to the idea of restrictions for the voluntarily unvaccinated, if it means widespread restrictions for everyone can be avoided.

I hate how easily our freedoms were removed in the first wave, I have strong misgivings about "papers" of any sort, but I'm afraid restrictions for the unvaccinated now seems the lesser of two evils.

Angel2702 · 21/12/2021 13:02

@Elvinelf

You can still pass it on if you’re vaccinated! You can also still catch it if vaccinated. Are these new rules helping keep cases down in other European countries? Would be interesting to know. More likely is that everyone should take an LFT before an event vaccinated or not…but how do you prove it?
It is not about keeping cases down, it is about not overwhelming the NHS those fully vaccinated are much safer on that front to mix as much less likely to need hospital treatment. Those not fully vaccinated are at higher risk to the NHS when mixing as they are more likely to need treatment.
userperuser · 21/12/2021 13:03

@Jaxhog

I don't get the 'civil liberty' argument. You have a driving license, don't you? You show a ticket when on a train, bus etc?

And just because the vaccine doesn't give 100% coverage, doesn't mean it doesn't work!

Since when did you need a driving licence to participate in everyday life in your home country?
WaterBottle123 · 21/12/2021 13:05

@Honeyhorse

Where does that leave me? With a genuine needle phobia? I haven’t had any yet but am in the process of getting counselling to overcome this, which may be delayed due to more restrictions.

I feel really sad that this is something that may be considered Sad

@Honeyhorse

Get a diazepam from your GP and get vaccinated. Many needle phobics I know have done this. It's your duty, we all have things that scare us. You can do it, call the GP now.

crispsarny · 21/12/2021 13:05

Yes I have noticed Op, very obvious, I’m sure there are tory shills on here as well trying to whip up the masses.

userperuser · 21/12/2021 13:07

@crispsarny

Yes I have noticed Op, very obvious, I’m sure there are tory shills on here as well trying to whip up the masses.
There’s more than shills on here they have been circling like sharks for a long time.
Covidclaire · 21/12/2021 13:08

The product is faulty

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crispsarny · 21/12/2021 13:09

duty?

Lokdok · 21/12/2021 13:09

Good.

the80sweregreat · 21/12/2021 13:10

I think that showing people having the vaccines on tv can't help those with a needle phobia. It is off putting and doesn't help matters.
I know it's hard, but I honestly did not feel a thing with any of my vaccines. It is pretty much painless , but I appreciate that might not be the case for everyone.
I would like to think that the clinics have people who will help people overcome their fears.

vickyc90 · 21/12/2021 13:11

Surely a simple turn style system would work with the 3D barcodes on the COVID passes save anyone getting abuse

MistressoftheDarkSide · 21/12/2021 13:13

Nothing is going to work 100%. A combination of mitigations has worked, up until this last variant, which is apparently more transmissible, may evade vaccines and natural immunity etc etc.

All we can really do is work with what we're given, but demonising a relatively small proportion of the population is not going to encourage people to participate enthusiastically. It will lead to a whole new set of problems, not least encouraging the mindset that punishing people for choosing not to take a vaccine they feel uncertain about is in any way acceptable.

If an unvaccinated person wears a mask, tests regularly, avoids risk as far as possible etc why is that not enough? Sweeping generalisations about 5g and Bill Gates believers aren't actually reflective of most peoples mind sets. There will always be people with fringe beliefs and paranoia, and even some of those are proven right about their concerns down the line.

Cornettoninja · 21/12/2021 13:13

Since when did you need a driving licence to participate in everyday life in your home country?

Have you tried to open a bank account, rent accommodation or get a job without official ID? As a starting point for accessing everything in society you need to prove who you are and that your eligible to be here.

gannett · 21/12/2021 13:14

None of the people banging on about freedoms and civil liberties re: vaccinations seem to give a shit about the actual full-on assault the government has launched on the right to protest, the right to citizenship of non-white Britons, and the Human Rights Act. Funny that. The only civil liberty worth caring about is your right to be petulant in the face of a public health measure in the middle of a pandemic.

userperuser · 21/12/2021 13:16

@Cornettoninja

Since when did you need a driving licence to participate in everyday life in your home country?

Have you tried to open a bank account, rent accommodation or get a job without official ID? As a starting point for accessing everything in society you need to prove who you are and that your eligible to be here.

You can absolutely do those things without passports and driving licenses there are alternative ways provide by banks.