Do unvaccinated people not see they are part of the problem?

[User135644]

I accept it's people's right whether they get jabbed or not, entirely up to them. However, the more people stubbornly refuse a vaccine then the worse it'll be for all of us. The hospitals will be more stretched and we'll have more restrictions, lockdowns or circuit breakers. People who won't get the vaccine are often the most anti-lockdown or restrictions, yet are part of the problem as to why we'll keep getting them.

Where exactly do they think we'd be without vaccines? We wouldn't have had a relatively normal 6 months or so with everything open, that's for sure.

This is the info I’m going on presented by Whiity at the last briefing

Arse - that’s covid patients only. I said look at the chart that shows non-covid hospitalisations - a pp posted it just a couple of pages ago.

One million admissions linked to obesity in 2019-20. I’d say that’s significant. Then we have smokers, drinkers, self inflicted diabetics, sexually promiscuous, dangerous hobbyists/sports, bad drivers, stupid pedestrians, recreational drugs etc…combined, I’d say that’s a lot of unwarranted £ spent in the NHS.

digital.nhs.uk/news/2021/one-million-admissions-linked-to-obesity-in-2019-20-new-data-reveals

Why single out the non vaxxed & not all of the above?

@bumbleymummy - I’ve seen you on many threads and you have a tendency to manipulate and perpetuate misinformation - albeit subtlety. You say one thing, and when challenged - you’ll change your rhetoric slightly - or claim you’ve been misinterpreted. It’s really unpleasant.

This thread is about Covid patients though.

I never thought that I would say this, and I do care about personal freedom.. But I am starting to feel that people are being very selfish not getting vaxxed. I'm not proud of myself for that.

I see the usual eugenics crowd are out again tonight.

Is there not much on in the TV?

The extremist nutters are (from both sides)

@JanisMoplin

I doubt this thread has convinced anyone unvaxxed to get vaxxed. More's the pity.

No of course it hasn't. I imagine it was created with the intention of 'othering' anyone unvaccinated, making them feel selfish and stupid and creating more of a divide in this country then there already is. The only reason I bother commenting on threads like this is because I can see the damage the bullying is doing to people's precarious mental health and it pisses me right off. This thread should never have been allowed in my opinion. It's wrong and divisive and in other circumstances would never be allowed.

@User135644

Apart from those contra indicated all those not having a vaccine are selfish and don’t deserve to be part of the adult community.

Anti vaccine people lie and should be ashamed of themselves.

To be clear they are causing death and disease.

It’s not even worth discussing or talking to them as the public health population data clearly shows the real life benefit and if they can’t see that now they are ignorant and beyond contempt. They don’t have the ethical backbone to admit they were wrong.

This is hard but true.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow sure. We’ll just ignore everyone else in hospital then and blame all the problems in the NHS on the unvaccinated covid patients.

Coronavirus is the biggest threat.

We have an excellent solution in the vaccines that does an amazing job in keeping people out of possible. It might not stop them getting the virus in all cases, it may not stop them passing it on in some cases but it does amazing in the measures that are the most key.

Because so many of us are in such a fortunate position now, the ones who have not been vaccinated are a much bigger risk than when none of us had been vaccinated.

We are not in the same place as we were a few weeks ago. The rest of us are not enough to stop these people overwhelming the NHS.

We are now facing restrictions that are really going to impact our lives again.

People are fed up. They are getting angrier. I get you probably are fed up too. Do you really think people are going to be as understanding as you hope they are, when they are losing their livelihoods, when their loved ones die because there is no care available and when their kids are suffering?

You have made you decisions, it's your right to make that decision. You absolutely should not be forced to get vaccinated. Treatment should not be withdrawn from you.

But if things gets as bad as they could, then I suspect you may have a rough ride ahead. But I am sure you all accept and are prepared for it.

I really hope though, that Omicrom is milder, and it doesn't impact any of us in the way it could do. Because the alternative is quite horrible for us all, vaccinated or not.

Ah I see the malicious, bullying crowd are back. The siren went off on Reddit no doubt

@User135644

I accept it's people's right whether they get jabbed or not, entirely up to them. However, the more people stubbornly refuse a vaccine then the worse it'll be for all of us. The hospitals will be more stretched and we'll have more restrictions, lockdowns or circuit breakers. People who won't get the vaccine are often the most anti-lockdown or restrictions, yet are part of the problem as to why we'll keep getting them.

Where exactly do they think we'd be without vaccines? We wouldn't have had a relatively normal 6 months or so with everything open, that's for sure.

To the the original OP, yes I totally agree.

No one should get a vaccine if they are anti it, but it's frustrating that there is a minority who can't seem to acknowledge where we'd be without them. Or take alternative approaches like asymptomatic testing as another thing that can help reduce transmission.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow sure. We’ll just ignore everyone else in hospital then and blame all the problems in the NHS on the unvaccinated covid patients

They are the ones causing the problems in ICU. The other patients aren’t relevant to the Covid problem. It’s about Covid, not someone having their piles sorted out.

And no, I haven’t had several bans and nor have I posted health misinformation. honestly, you think you lot would get bored with throwing around the same accusations that you can never back up.

@bumbleymummy

And no, I haven’t had several bans and nor have I posted health misinformation. honestly, you think you lot would get bored with throwing around the same accusations that you can never back up.

Obviously only MNHQ can confirm if you've had temporary bans or not, but you've had a huge amount of posts deleted because they are health/vaccine misinformation

@bumbleymummy to state that the obese are currently the biggest threat to ICU’s/to downplay Covid is - misinformation. If the consensus of medical thought was that we should be tackling obesity - and not Covid - then they would be stating this.

You appear to think that you know better?

You could apply this argument to people who are overweight or who are heavy smokers, both groups may use more BHS resources.
Many people ill with covid have been vaxxed.
I find your post discriminatory and divisive.

@bumbleymummy I’ve reported you several times. I think you are particularly offensive - but very subtle about it.

They might be part of the problem but then again so are people who are obese.

[quote bumbleymummy]@ArseInTheCoOpWindow sure. We’ll just ignore everyone else in hospital then and blame all the problems in the NHS on the unvaccinated covid patients.[/quote]

Surely the point is to focus on the additional burden that the global pandemic has place n the NHS?

Therefore looking the numbers of patients in hospital with Covid as their primary diagnosis is the key.

Of those a significant proportion are unvaccinated. Had those patients opted for vaccinated, those admissions may well have been avoided. Covid patients take up a very high proportion of the ICU capacity of a hospital which has a serious knock-on effect to surgery and cancer services which cannot proceed with the availability of ICU beds if needed.

"Doctors and nurses say they are deeply concerned at the number of seriously ill patients being transferred to critical care beds who are still unvaccinated. Michael Bartley, a critical care matron at King’s, estimated that “80 to 90%” in the hospital’s critical care beds were unvaccinated."