Do unvaccinated people not see they are part of the problem?

[User135644]

I accept it's people's right whether they get jabbed or not, entirely up to them. However, the more people stubbornly refuse a vaccine then the worse it'll be for all of us. The hospitals will be more stretched and we'll have more restrictions, lockdowns or circuit breakers. People who won't get the vaccine are often the most anti-lockdown or restrictions, yet are part of the problem as to why we'll keep getting them.

Where exactly do they think we'd be without vaccines? We wouldn't have had a relatively normal 6 months or so with everything open, that's for sure.

@narutocrazyfox of course 100% vaccination is not possible but we need to get as close as damn it world wide to get this under control. Everyone needs to do their bit if we're going to get out of this hole.

@bumbleymummy

But I do think we need to protect the NHS and unvaccinated people are the greatest risk to it.

Technically obesity related illnesses are a much bigger risk to the nhs.

Again with the minimising the impact of coronavirus

Yes obesity is a critical public health issue and has been for over a decade in the UK - money is poured into trying to prevent, reduce & treat complications. It is a long term issue needing long term solutions. It is not a communiciable disease that can be treated with quick solutions.

It's also not the immediate threat to our healthcare system, coronavirus is, and it's incredibly disengenous to say otherwise.

All those people with obesity realated issues - T2DM, atheroscleorsis, cancer, chronic pain, metabolic diseases - are going to be disproportionately impacted by the fact that their routine & emergency care will be even more disrupted. If you cared as much as you seem to imply you do, you'd realise that until coronavirus is under reasonable control, all other health issues will suffer.

@Alexandra2001 Healthcare staff in the NHS "forced" to have several vaccinations or they cannot practice.

List them. And list the ones they have to have every 6-12 months or they lose their job.

@EmmaWoodhousestreehouse

Unfortunately there’s no cure for being stupid. I don’t think it’s that people are frightened either. I think they’re just a bit thick.

Oh my goodness - what an illuminating and original post. Your superior intelligence really shines through.

You're right - there obviously isn't a cure for being stupid as I'm quite sure you'd have taken several million vaccines for it by now and so would not be posting such utter drivel!

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

But obesity isn’t coming in huge waves of infection every day.

And obesity may well be a day to day challenge, but not in an acute emergency situation that we are in at the moment.

Well, yes, technically people with obesity related illnesses are admitted to hospital every day. It’s been a problem for years. I guess the fact that we don’t have numbers plastered in the headlines every day means that some people aren’t aware of it.

There may be one person who genuinely can’t be vaccinated, ie xenobitch, but as for others….

Reminds me of people who are “late” . (Tinkly laugh) “Ooh, that’s just me! I can’t help it!” Ds has a constantly late friend. He recently went abroad. Ds asked him if he missed the flight. “No, why?” asks friend. “But I thought you could never be on time.” “Oh, but that was important.”

And thereby rests the case. No one relishes a vaccine. But if it were important to their own life they’d soon have their arm out, eg life-saving hospital treatment.

Any more virtue-signalling hugs and flowers and I swear I’ll explode. Like the time some clown said equal sympathies should be with the Manchester bomber. You are not a nicer than anyone else poster. Your sympathies are very, very misplaced.

[quote bumbleymummy]@Alexandra2001 Healthcare staff in the NHS "forced" to have several vaccinations or they cannot practice.

List them. And list the ones they have to have every 6-12 months or they lose their job.[/quote]
Depends on role & area.

I've been required to have the influenza vaccine when working on certain sites. Certainly not for my benefit but for others.

For my medical school offer I was required to have the hep B jabs as well as getting the grades. I remember it vividly after being told every year a couple of students lost their place for forgetting to do it by the deadline.

I doubt this thread has convinced anyone unvaxxed to get vaxxed. More's the pity.

I'm not being melodramatic - you only need to look at what's going on in Austria to see that. Fortunately nobody is currently forcibly pinning me into a driving seat or saying they will fine me if I don't get in a car so I don't really see a correlation? I'm glad that you are comfortable with injecting an 18 month old vaccine with no long term data. I'm not. In my opinion you should respect that

You get CV and end up in ITU, i'm involved in a car accident (not my fault) but have to be taken 100 miles away because Derrifords ITU beds are taken by unvaccinated CV patients, during that journey, i die and my DD is an orphan, you on the other hand make a full recover.
The inquest says i would have lived had i had prompt treatment in ITU.

Your actions have completely trampled over my right to live.

How many times does this have to be corrected? According to the latest ICNARC report, 48% of people in critical care beds were unvaccinated. The media really need to be held accountable for printing inaccurate headlines. That’s where some people get all their information from.

Do you not see a problem with this? 48% of a population of 5 million. Compared to a population nearly 10 times that.

I am not why you cannot take that stat you keep on quoting and see that it does not back you up in the way you think it does that.

Bear in mind, almost all the elderly & vulnerable are vaccinated (those with the highest risk even still of hospitalisation), 48% is a really really high percentage.

Hi again olly. :) Nice to see you’re still following me around. No, still not ‘minimising’ anything. Just pointing out the issue of obesity related illnesses in the context of things that are putting the ‘biggest strain on the NHS’. Hth.

@JanisMoplin

I doubt this thread has convinced anyone unvaxxed to get vaxxed. More's the pity.

It wont, and threads like this never will.

If anything (a bit tongue in cheek here), from what I see here, the second the vaccine goes from the syringe into your arm, you turn into an unemphatic monster who wishes misfortunes on anyone who has not had the jab.

@bumbleymummy

Hi again olly. :) Nice to see you’re still following me around. No, still not ‘minimising’ anything. Just pointing out the issue of obesity related illnesses in the context of things that are putting the ‘biggest strain on the NHS’. Hth.

I post on various coronavirus threads - I think you have a slight tendancy towards delusions of gradeur if you think me contributing to a thread you're also on (considering how many you post on) would be "following"

I'm not really sure why you're doubling down on the statement Technically obesity related illnesses are a much bigger risk to the nhs. than coronavirus is right now.

And I’m sure you’re well aware that the flu vaccine isn’t compulsory. Nhs staff are not fired for not having it. Iirc uptake was around 55-70% every year for the last few years.

Hep b is protection for the individual and isn’t required annually. It also isn’t necessary if you have antibodies.

[quote bumbleymummy]@Alexandra2001 Healthcare staff in the NHS "forced" to have several vaccinations or they cannot practice.

List them. And list the ones they have to have every 6-12 months or they lose their job.[/quote]
Hep B, Tetanus, MMR, Diphtheria. Certain Lab staff have to have a few others too.

@bumbleymummy

And I’m sure you’re well aware that the flu vaccine isn’t compulsory. Nhs staff are not fired for not having it. Iirc uptake was around 55-70% every year for the last few years.

Hep b is protection for the individual and isn’t required annually. It also isn’t necessary if you have antibodies.

As I said, it depends on role and area, and in both those scenarios I was required to be vaccinated.

You asked for examples.

@Ohsofedupwiththis actually, it perfectly backs up the point I’m making - that unvaccinated people are not ‘taking the majority of beds in icu’ as several posters have stated.

Well, yes, technically people with obesity related illnesses are admitted to hospital every day. It’s been a problem for years. I guess the fact that we don’t have numbers plastered in the headlines every day means that some people aren’t aware of it

Not comparable. We are in a changing public health emergency.

90000 people a day are not suddenly being infected by it. It’s not overrunning icu

Your comparison is crazy

@Alexandra2001 see above. And none of those are required every 6-12 months.

@Alexandra2001

I'm not being melodramatic - you only need to look at what's going on in Austria to see that. Fortunately nobody is currently forcibly pinning me into a driving seat or saying they will fine me if I don't get in a car so I don't really see a correlation? I'm glad that you are comfortable with injecting an 18 month old vaccine with no long term data. I'm not. In my opinion you should respect that

You get CV and end up in ITU, i'm involved in a car accident (not my fault) but have to be taken 100 miles away because Derrifords ITU beds are taken by unvaccinated CV patients, during that journey, i die and my DD is an orphan, you on the other hand make a full recover.
The inquest says i would have lived had i had prompt treatment in ITU.

Your actions have completely trampled over my right to live.

Now who's being melodramatic?

Arse - see charts showing the number of non-covid patients being admitted to hospital daily. Down play it all you like but saying that ‘unvaccinated people are the biggest threat to the nhs’ is inaccurate.

Some of this thread sounds familiar. Bit like the old MMR threads. Full of people saying 'I'm not antivax but' and others with a passive aggressive emoji, posting bs with a smidgen of science to pretend they know what they are talking about.

I have zero tolerance for those who choose not to vaccinate. A small minority have a genuine reason. The rest are twats.

I used to try and be tolerant and understanding. Nearly 2 years into Covid, seeing the stress on my kids faces at the thought school might close, the resignation in medic friends, I've had enough.

Nothing anyone posts will change minds.

@bumbleymummy

Arse - see charts showing the number of non-covid patients being admitted to hospital daily. Down play it all you like but saying that ‘unvaccinated people are the biggest threat to the nhs’ is inaccurate.

Who has claimed "unvaccinated people are the biggest theat to the nhs?"

Currently, coronavirus is.

Increasing vaccination coverage for first and second doses, and continuing to get boosters out would help with this however.

Bit like the old MMR threads.

There are lots of posts that seem to be recycled from the MMR/flu/HPV vaccine theads it's true.

Of course being unvaccinated is a huge problem for the health service. Ask anyone working in ICU.

@Alexandra2001 agreed I used to have to be vaccinated with HEp B working in hospitals. As did everyone I worked with. Can you imagine if all the healthcare staff just refused to protect their own selves before others. Selfish people. Unselfish people.