Do unvaccinated people not see they are part of the problem?

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I accept it's people's right whether they get jabbed or not, entirely up to them. However, the more people stubbornly refuse a vaccine then the worse it'll be for all of us. The hospitals will be more stretched and we'll have more restrictions, lockdowns or circuit breakers. People who won't get the vaccine are often the most anti-lockdown or restrictions, yet are part of the problem as to why we'll keep getting them.

Where exactly do they think we'd be without vaccines? We wouldn't have had a relatively normal 6 months or so with everything open, that's for sure.

I haven't heard much outrage about it before.

But l think it a growing concern.

@Chouxfun - Can you give us more info please? What are the circumstances behind the forcible injections as I haven't heard of it before?

I heartily agree. Saying “vile” and sending flower emojis to “be kind” to people who clearly don’t give a monkey’s about their fellow citizens or the health service is extraordinary. Why waste even virtual flowers on people who are so selfish they’d shaft you in the blink of an eye.

[quote nojudgementhere]@Chouxfun - Can you give us more info please? What are the circumstances behind the forcible injections as I haven't heard of it before?[/quote]
If someone has a mental health problem which places them or others in danger they can be placed under a section which holds certain conditions. Monthly depot injections is fairly typical.

@Higgeldypiggeldy35 yep, that's what viruses do - they mutate to become more infectious, but generally with much milder symptoms. 100% vaccination will never, ever be possible (even if people like me were forced into it there wil always be those who are exempt) so virus mutation will always happen.

@DottyHarmer - Have some flowers too. 💐 Let's hope there will come a time when you can look back at your very angry posts and laugh at yourself and how out of perspective everything got. Your attitude is really quite unkind and harming other people's mental health - please stop.

@Chouxfun - Oh ok. Doesn't really seem relevant. I assume you are trying to suggest every unvaccinated person is too mentally ill to make an informed judgement on their own health so they should be forcibly held down and injected too? Slightly odd viewpoint but each to their own I suppose!

Vaxxed / don’t get vaxxed, but don’t trot out bullshit.

Anybody saying ‘ITU was overwhelmed’ is talking nonsense - there was always capacity in the NHS. Same with non critical care beds too.

@Chouxfun

To be fair some people have court orders that means legally they have monthly injections that can be done against their will and with force if necessary- do people object to that too?

They are Community Treatment Orders, and the "penalty" for not taking medication is a recall to hospital. It is not a fine, arrest, or any other sort of sanction. It is also limited to psychiatric medication/treatment for the disorder the person on a CTO is on. It can't be used for anything else. You absolutely can not use it for a vaccine.

@DottyHarmer

I heartily agree. Saying “vile” and sending flower emojis to “be kind” to people who clearly don’t give a monkey’s about their fellow citizens or the health service is extraordinary. Why waste even virtual flowers on people who are so selfish they’d shaft you in the blink of an eye.

@nojudgementhere & @whereisthejasmine

Thank you. You have made me cry... seriously! I know I post a lot on here, but I have no where else to go about it all.

I don't accept its peoples right not to vaccinate

Christ.

Poster seriously believes that others should not have control over their bodies.

A society that fails to respect bodily autonomy, and forces its citizens to be injected with a very new drug that has no long term safety data, is not one that any sane person would want to be a part of surely? What a dark and corrupt dystopia you are wishing for?

Don't be so melodramatic.
Healthcare staff in the NHS "forced" to have several vaccinations or they cannot practice.

Trials and real time use have been going on for 18 months and the risks are tiny, even with the AZ clotting issue.

Do you drive? far far greater risk of ending up in the ground doing that than taking a CV vaccine.

[quote XenoBitch]**@nojudgementhere* & @whereisthejasmine*

Thank you. You have made me cry... seriously! I know I post a lot on here, but I have no where else to go about it all.[/quote]
I personally am glad you post a lot. Keep going - I love it when your name pops up. Take care & I hope you have a good Christmas - everything's gonna be alright! Xx

@MummyPop00

Vaxxed / don’t get vaxxed, but don’t trot out bullshit.

Anybody saying ‘ITU was overwhelmed’ is talking nonsense - there was always capacity in the NHS. Same with non critical care beds too.

Unbelievable!

Do you realise that the bed needs to be near to the patient? and not 100 miles away.

@Alexandra2001

A society that fails to respect bodily autonomy, and forces its citizens to be injected with a very new drug that has no long term safety data, is not one that any sane person would want to be a part of surely? What a dark and corrupt dystopia you are wishing for?

Don't be so melodramatic.
Healthcare staff in the NHS "forced" to have several vaccinations or they cannot practice.

Trials and real time use have been going on for 18 months and the risks are tiny, even with the AZ clotting issue.

Do you drive? far far greater risk of ending up in the ground doing that than taking a CV vaccine.

I'm not being melodramatic - you only need to look at what's going on in Austria to see that. Fortunately nobody is currently forcibly pinning me into a driving seat or saying they will fine me if I don't get in a car so I don't really see a correlation? I'm glad that you are comfortable with injecting an 18 month old vaccine with no long term data. I'm not. In my opinion you should respect that.

But I do think we need to protect the NHS and unvaccinated people are the greatest risk to it.

Technically obesity related illnesses are a much bigger risk to the nhs.

@DottyHarmer

I heartily agree. Saying “vile” and sending flower emojis to “be kind” to people who clearly don’t give a monkey’s about their fellow citizens or the health service is extraordinary. Why waste even virtual flowers on people who are so selfish they’d shaft you in the blink of an eye.

Sorry for struggling with people posting vile things about us "unclean". You might be fine with all those comments seeing as you are fully jabbed. It is not so easy for everyone else. I do care about my fellow citizen and the health service (even though it has not cared about me!). I also try to care about my mental health.. I know my limits and I know my triggers. So many of "The Vaccinated" polishing their halos, yet coming out with gems like wishing anyone unvaccinated (which will be you when it is booster time) gets denied treatment, or fined, or arrested, or left to die in hospital car parks. What happened to all being in this together? When did that fall apart?

Unfortunately there’s no cure for being stupid. I don’t think it’s that people are frightened either. I think they’re just a bit thick.

But obesity isn’t coming in huge waves of infection every day.

And obesity may well be a day to day challenge, but not in an acute emergency situation that we are in at the moment.

[quote nojudgementhere]@Chouxfun - Oh ok. Doesn't really seem relevant. I assume you are trying to suggest every unvaccinated person is too mentally ill to make an informed judgement on their own health so they should be forcibly held down and injected too? Slightly odd viewpoint but each to their own I suppose![/quote]
No not my suggestion at all, it's not always the case that they are a risk to themselves or others, or that they have zero capacity, but at times these are ruled because its easier than actually helping the person to get help. I just find it strange how some are so against it but have no idea stuff like this happens already. I guess though those with MH conditions are often vulnerable and othered so why would people be bothered.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

Unvaccinated people aren’t the biggest risk

But they are the ones taking up the majority of icu bed.

How many times does this have to be corrected? According to the latest ICNARC report, 48% of people in critical care beds were unvaccinated. The media really need to be held accountable for printing inaccurate headlines. That’s where some people get all their information from.

@nojudgementhere thank you again. Aiming for a xmas with my parents as is the same every year. A time for company and lots of bad food! Warm and happy.. so much better than the cold darkness in my house.

@bumbleymummy the difference being that obesity isn’t infectious and unpredictable.

The NHS could suddenly be faced with a huge influx of Covid patients - plus the risk of getting ill themselves, having to isolate and being severely compromised staffing-wise.