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Do unvaccinated people not see they are part of the problem?

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User135644 · 19/12/2021 11:21

I accept it's people's right whether they get jabbed or not, entirely up to them. However, the more people stubbornly refuse a vaccine then the worse it'll be for all of us. The hospitals will be more stretched and we'll have more restrictions, lockdowns or circuit breakers. People who won't get the vaccine are often the most anti-lockdown or restrictions, yet are part of the problem as to why we'll keep getting them.

Where exactly do they think we'd be without vaccines? We wouldn't have had a relatively normal 6 months or so with everything open, that's for sure.

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whereisthejasmine · 19/12/2021 18:02

in this country people have the right to make their own decisions, those on here being vile to the unvaccinated don't appreciate its part of living in a free society, for which I am grateful I live in.
I would hate to live in a country where bodily autonomy is not respected.
We all have our own opinions, and need to respect those of others. Some unvaxxed people have complex health issues for which their own consultants have advised the jab is cannot yet be advised. some have egg allergies. Some have needle phobias. Some have had covid and also omicron, and are happy to consider natural immunity enough to protect them from severe illness.
Some are young and quite reasonably, consider taking a new vaccine with no knowledge of the long term consequences to be a bad idea - esp if they are young and have already had covid.
None of us have the right to tell each other what we ought to do.
The situation now is more from the gradual weakening of the NHS (20,000 less beds in the last 10 years) than the actions of the unvaxxed.
Disagreeing with other people is part of life in a democracy. Being vile and villifying others because they do not agree with you is just nasty.

chaosrabbitland · 19/12/2021 18:03

furries , i actually have been vaccinated , its my 13 year old that hasnt , love your assumptions there

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/12/2021 18:03

But what is the probability of someone suffering a needle phobia and psychosis.?

Not very high.
Hypnosis is a recognised cure for phobia. Throwing in stuff about random mental health conditions isn’t relevant.

Chouxfun · 19/12/2021 18:04

I think it's much more complex than they don't realise, or are anti vaxxers or whatever else. Sure that's the case for some, but for most it's probably more mundane- hesitance towards medical procedures for a variety of reasons, genuine needle phobia, cautious because they have read the data and research and balanced risks etc. For me the ones I think are selfish are those who choose not to have it but then go and willfully spread mistruths on social media etc mock the 'sheep' that have had it.

whereisthejasmine · 19/12/2021 18:06

Also in some of the data, people who have not had 3 jabs are being counted as unvaxxed, I do believe that is intentioanl to fuel the anger at the unvaxxed, to divert attention from the people who have failed the NHS.
The 9/10 data was fact checked and found to be incorrect.
fullfact.org/health/dr-hilary-lorraine-kelly-90-percent/

XenoBitch · 19/12/2021 18:08

@DottyHarmer

If someone genuinely has a needle phobia such that they would refuse intravenous treatment, then they might say, “I have a terrible phobia. But I agree with vaccines. And I will take all measures to ensure I do not endanger others.”

But trumpeting about rights and also posting about whether the unvaccinated are a problem and political stuff….. then it’s not just about a phobia, is it?

I do agree with vaccines. I have friends who cried when they became available, and I was supportive of them. I had a load of vaccines as part of my HCP training (years ago, so not recent). But, my phobia and previous traumatic experiences are stopping me getting this one. And it also stops me getting routine tests done etc. It has a big impact on lots of areas of my life. And how my MH is right now, I don't care if I died. That is the honest truth.
Curiousmouse · 19/12/2021 18:09

I don't accept its peoples right not to vaccinate. With that power should come some responsibility for the consequences, rather than getting a hospital bed if needed and knocking a cancer patient or similar out of the queue.

XenoBitch · 19/12/2021 18:12

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

But what is the probability of someone suffering a needle phobia and psychosis.?

Not very high.
Hypnosis is a recognised cure for phobia. Throwing in stuff about random mental health conditions isn’t relevant.

It does not work for everyone!
whereisthejasmine · 19/12/2021 18:13

For me the ones I think are selfish are those who choose not to have it but then go and willfully spread mistruths on social media etc mock the 'sheep' that have had it.

this I agree with, those that believe people should have the jabs and those that believe people should not, are getting into verbal wars, and vitriolic with each other, it doesn't change anyone's minds and does not help anyone. We all ought to be respecting each other's decisiond. More facts, less facebook memes is the only way that people might change their minds. The more pushy the government is re the vaccine, the more entrenched in their position the unvaxxed are likely to be.

Swanfairydust · 19/12/2021 18:13

@Curiousmouse

I don't accept its peoples right not to vaccinate. With that power should come some responsibility for the consequences, rather than getting a hospital bed if needed and knocking a cancer patient or similar out of the queue.
Open your eyes.

Vaccines don’t appear to be working.

Plenty of people not vaxed have had the virus and are ok, including no symtoms.

nojudgementhere · 19/12/2021 18:14

@Xenobitch - I'm so sorry to hear you are struggling. Take care & don't be ground down by the comments on here. All of the people I speak to in real life are much less judgemental and angry. I was really worried about talking to some of my best friends and then was so glad I did as they've been amazingly open minded and supportive. There's a huge difference between someone who is hesitant/anxious about the vaccine and someone who is deliberately trying to spread misinformation and stop other people getting vaccinated when they really want & need to. I like reading your posts and you sound like a really kind and thoughtful person. 💐

Ohsofedupwiththis · 19/12/2021 18:14

I get it. I am not comfortable forcing people to get vaccinated. Its not what we do in this country.

But I do think we need to protect the NHS and unvaccinated people are the greatest risk to it.

We also need to protect the kids being able to go to school.

And as a consequence of the unvaccinated threat to the NHS, it is likely that schools will need to close again.

Why does the rights of these people trump my kids?

whereisthejasmine · 19/12/2021 18:18

@XenoBitch I am sorry to hear you are having a tough time. You just need to do what you are comfortable with and ignore the people on here that think they know everything. Only you can decide what is best for you. Take care of yourself xxxx

Swanfairydust · 19/12/2021 18:19

@Ohsofedupwiththis

I get it. I am not comfortable forcing people to get vaccinated. Its not what we do in this country.

But I do think we need to protect the NHS and unvaccinated people are the greatest risk to it.

We also need to protect the kids being able to go to school.

And as a consequence of the unvaccinated threat to the NHS, it is likely that schools will need to close again.

Why does the rights of these people trump my kids?

Unvaccinated people aren’t the biggest risk.

Obese, smokers and those with health complications are.

Stop using “unvaccinated” and those not on their 356 booster jab as the issue.

EmmaOvary · 19/12/2021 18:23

@Swanfairydust "Vaccines don’t appear to be working."

What a load of nonsense. Have you seen the death rate stats for now and before the vaccines? Do you remember the 1000+ deaths PER DAY?

whereisthejasmine · 19/12/2021 18:24

@Swanfairydust and @Ohsofedupwiththis I truly believe the greatest risk to us all is the intentional and methodical unravelling of the NHS by successive governments. I could be wrong, I am not omniscient. But it is my strongly held belief that this is the biggest threat to us all in coping with covid as a nation. All the NHS staff I work with want more staff, more resources, more pay, more beds, all the time, not just since the pandemic.

Derbee · 19/12/2021 18:26

@XenoBitch if all of your responses to all of the comments from everyone are genuine, ie you’re so phobic that no therapy treatments work, and you reject medical treatment etc etc, you are in a very small minority.

Your individual circumstances certainly do not apply for all or even most of the unvaccinated

nojudgementhere · 19/12/2021 18:27

[quote EmmaOvary]@Swanfairydust "Vaccines don’t appear to be working."

What a load of nonsense. Have you seen the death rate stats for now and before the vaccines? Do you remember the 1000+ deaths PER DAY? [/quote]
Yep we all remember that and now they''re saying there might be 5,000 a day. Interested to see how you would class this as 'working'?

Fortunately I've only heard Neil Ferguson ranting on about these numbers so it's obviously wildly inaccurate. Would probably get a better prediction by consulting the magic fish fortune teller I get in my Christmas cracker!

follygirl · 19/12/2021 18:27

I just bumped into a friend today who manages the ITU department at a local hospital. She said that 80% of the people in ITU who had Covid were unvaccinated. The other 20% were immunocompromised.
They are also dealing with other patients, cancer, RTAs and are finding it hard to be sympathetic towards the unvaccinated.
She did say that so far they're not being massively overrun 🤞🏻

Bebedoogoogle · 19/12/2021 18:28

This thread is not vile

It’s your moral conscience talking to you. You’re feeling bad about yourself because you’re finally having a mirror held up to you.

Sorry but that is the truth.

Goes without saying, this does not include those who are not having the vaccine for medical reasons (and I’m including those with severe mental health illnesses who do not have capacity to consent and make an informed choice).

sharkyandme · 19/12/2021 18:30

What about those who are too fat? Do we refuse NHS treatment for them too?

nojudgementhere · 19/12/2021 18:31

@Bebedoogoogle

This thread is not vile

It’s your moral conscience talking to you. You’re feeling bad about yourself because you’re finally having a mirror held up to you.

Sorry but that is the truth.

Goes without saying, this does not include those who are not having the vaccine for medical reasons (and I’m including those with severe mental health illnesses who do not have capacity to consent and make an informed choice).

Lol! Yes, you're so wise @Bebedoogoogle - that must be what it is! By the way, weren't you the poster who was ranting on about forcibly injecting people earlier? Not sure if you're really in a position to be talking about morals.
ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/12/2021 18:32

Unvaccinated people aren’t the biggest risk

But they are the ones taking up the majority of icu bed.

Higgeldypiggeldy35 · 19/12/2021 18:33

@narutocrazyfox but you haven't mentioned the fact that it's the unvaccinated population globally which is is allowing vaccine resistant strains to develop. If everyone had the vaccine there would be far less mutations

Chouxfun · 19/12/2021 18:33

To be fair some people have court orders that means legally they have monthly injections that can be done against their will and with force if necessary- do people object to that too?