Do unvaccinated people not see they are part of the problem?

[User135644]

I accept it's people's right whether they get jabbed or not, entirely up to them. However, the more people stubbornly refuse a vaccine then the worse it'll be for all of us. The hospitals will be more stretched and we'll have more restrictions, lockdowns or circuit breakers. People who won't get the vaccine are often the most anti-lockdown or restrictions, yet are part of the problem as to why we'll keep getting them.

Where exactly do they think we'd be without vaccines? We wouldn't have had a relatively normal 6 months or so with everything open, that's for sure.

@Nsmum14

What if you have had covid, survived it, and have all the natural protection that comes with that? How are you a part of the problem then?

Do you know if you still have immunity from your infection? Or how long that immunity will last? Or if the natural immunity will cover you for other variants, other than the one you had?

@Lalliella

Completely agree with you OP. Those choosing not to get vaccinated without a proper medical reason are incredibly selfish. They should be locked down imo, not to protect them but to protect others.

Completely agree.

@Inthelivingyears Are you under the care of a long-covid clinic? I would ask one of the specialists, but from the advice I have seen, getting triple vaxxed would be a good idea so you don’t catch it again. You are in a weakened state, and you don’t need another variant infecting you and weakening you further. I wish you well. I also wish there was better messenging from the government on Long Covid.

They are difficult moral arguments. I could say those who are overweight (half the nation which is crippling the NHS) are choosing in effect to kill others, as much as people like I am who have used the NHS for 7 minutes in 15 years and have paid hundreds of thousands of income tax into, just about don't see anyone and am not catching nor spreading covid despite not having a vaccination. I have not had a night away from home from 2019 etc.

Funny, all the people that have “needle phobias” or “don’t trust the vaccine” who end up in hospital, manage to have life saving injections/blood draws/get pumped full of drugs (some still experimental) to try and save their lives.

No crippling anxiety or phobias or “own research” that actually prevents life saving treatment when required.

@WanderingFruitWonderer

Time to hide this thread. It's horrible. So much bullying of the unvaccinated. I can't watch. to anyone who has been hurt by it.

it is itsnt it , im more worried about some of the people holding these awful views than i am about covid itself

I've a question. If I have had Omicron, do I need my booster? I can't have it for 28 days from my positive test but I can't seem to find the answer to my question.

It doesn't make sense to me to have a booster to protect me from a covid strain I have already had?

I'm double vaccinated by the way.

@DottyHarmer

Seriously? Sending a flowers emoji to selfish people? Fgs. We really are in a mess.

How about some flowers for Piers Corbyn who was calling on people to burn down MPs’ offices? He’s very upset about vaccinations.

But no flowers for the millions of decent people who know that vaccines aren’t perfect, but they’re a step out of this mess. No flowers for the dedicated people delivering vaccines and volunteering at centres. No flowers for the hospital staff dealing with the unvaccinated dominating ICU.

Flowers to people who have been hurt by the comments and attitudes shown on MN today. A thread about "the unvaccinated" being denied treatment was pulled earlier, and thank fuck for that. Not everyone who has not had the jab is an anti-vaxxer, but we all get lumped into the same group.... those who have health anxiety, those with needle phobia, those who had a bad reaction to previous jabs, those who are just worried in general. I am fed up with the countless threads and comments about "The Unvaccinated"... like we are all one homogenous groaning zombie mass. So yes, I am posting flowers to them... because the threads and comments on here today show how much people hate us, regardless of our reasons. It is affecting our mental health. If you want us to have the jab, then show some kindness and understanding.

@Derbee

Funny, all the people that have “needle phobias” or “don’t trust the vaccine” who end up in hospital, manage to have life saving injections/blood draws/get pumped full of drugs (some still experimental) to try and save their lives.

No crippling anxiety or phobias or “own research” that actually prevents life saving treatment when required.

I have denied lots of medical treatment due to my needle phobia.

If they have needle phobia why don’t they get them sorted?
Hypnosis?
CBT?
Aversion therapy?

Most phobia can be treated.

I also had covid in 2020.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

So you want all the unvaccinated to sit at home and claim benefits!

Why should the welfare state support them if they can’t return the favour though?

err well they would be wouldnt they ? unless you had mothers and kids and men , the elderly all those who dont want it out living on the streets . the stupidity on this thread is unbelievable

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

If they have needle phobia why don’t they get them sorted? Hypnosis? CBT? Aversion therapy?

Most phobia can be treated.

And some can't. I know exposure therapy would help me. Nowhere is doing face to face at the moment. You can't do exposure therapy over the phone!

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

This thread is truthful not vile.

You're wrong - it's both. Truthful because it's how a small and easily manipulated proportion of the population actually think. Vile because their thoughts and words are based around discrimination and bullying. Also sending hugs and flowers to anyone who has been hurt or alarmed by this thread. Hoping Christmas will encourage people to show a bit more kindness and understanding - we should stop letting the government and newspapers divide us like this.

But you could do hypnosis over the phone?

I don’t lump everyone who won’t have it together.

Disabilities or medical conditions that prevent it are not the fault if the person suffering.

It’s those who will fully refuse it that get me.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/19/sajid-javid-hits-out-at-unvaccinated-for-taking-up-hospital-beds

9/10 patients taking a bed are unvaccinated

That says it all

We are losing livelihoods potentially schooling and our freedoms for this

[quote misssunshine4040]@EmpressCixi, I meant the political handling clouding people's will to comply, their ability to comply.
Some people are terrified of vaccines for various reasons and some have died from vaccines.
How do you propose those people should be treated ? Force them ?[/quote]
dont ask that question for goodness sake . some of these nut jobs on here would happily see people like my 13 year old who doesnt want the vaccine strapped forceabley to a chair to be injected with it

@SleevedOff

I've a question. If I have had Omicron, do I need my booster? I can't have it for 28 days from my positive test but I can't seem to find the answer to my question.

It doesn't make sense to me to have a booster to protect me from a covid strain I have already had?

I'm double vaccinated by the way.

The booster isn't just to protect you against omicron. The booster existed before omicron. It is to protect you from all strains - the effectiveness may vary between strains, but so far offers protection against all known ones.

And most people won't ever know which strain they have had. Even with omicron, only some of the tests are being sequenced to determine the strain - so most people will never know which variant. Hence, we protect against all we know of.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

But you could do hypnosis over the phone?

I don’t lump everyone who won’t have it together.

Disabilities or medical conditions that prevent it are not the fault if the person suffering.

It’s those who will fully refuse it that get me.

Hypnosis doesn't work for everyone, and it is contraindicated for some MH conditions.

But it can work for phobia, which is what l was talking about. So not a random MH condition.

@Abraxan

I did have confirmed omicron as I had a special sample taken by a courier and this was taken to a certain lab for testing. That's the only way I know for sure. I was also infected by someone who travelled directly from South Africa.

I also had covid in 2020 but obviously have no idea which strain it was then. I suspect I have not had delta yet.

I just wonder if I should have my booster on day 29 after covid or if I should wait for a while.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

But it can work for phobia, which is what l was talking about. So not a random MH condition.

Some people can't undergo hypnosis due to certain MH conditions. It is possible to have those MH conditions and a phobia.

If someone genuinely has a needle phobia such that they would refuse intravenous treatment, then they might say, “I have a terrible phobia. But I agree with vaccines. And I will take all measures to ensure I do not endanger others.”

But trumpeting about rights and also posting about whether the unvaccinated are a problem and political stuff….. then it’s not just about a phobia, is it?

A society that fails to respect bodily autonomy, and forces its citizens to be injected with a very new drug that has no long term safety data, is not one that any sane person would want to be a part of surely?

And if that happens, we should be concerned. But there are real, scientifically based concerns about the long term data of the vaccine.

[quote DotBall]@chaosrabbitland
ooo wouldnt you just believe it lol , im vaccinated and i smoke , gosh how strange is that !! some of the shit on this thread is pricelss , it just keeps on giving

You don’t see the irony in people not wanting to put something in their body that is new and possibly dodgy (in their eyes), yet puffing away on 4,000 chemicals, some of which are known carcinogens, multiple times a day?

Oh, ok then 🤣[/quote]
the dangers of smoking have been know for many many years now and no one that smokes including me is unaware of them im sure , and of course many people that smoke do develop the various some of them fatal ailments and many dont , theres always a person who will happily tell the story of their aunt queenie who was on 40 a day and lived to be 94 , yet when the covid vaccines came out we were all told they were safe , johnson i believe was wittering away about the astra zeneca and how fantastic , british firm and all that , and yet lo and behold . more than the odd few started to collapse and die after having it ,

im sure that these people unlike smokers had the vaccine never knowing or believing they were going to wind up dying from fatal brain bleeds or blood clots , they assumed it was safe , thats the difference