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Do unvaccinated people not see they are part of the problem?

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User135644 · 19/12/2021 11:21

I accept it's people's right whether they get jabbed or not, entirely up to them. However, the more people stubbornly refuse a vaccine then the worse it'll be for all of us. The hospitals will be more stretched and we'll have more restrictions, lockdowns or circuit breakers. People who won't get the vaccine are often the most anti-lockdown or restrictions, yet are part of the problem as to why we'll keep getting them.

Where exactly do they think we'd be without vaccines? We wouldn't have had a relatively normal 6 months or so with everything open, that's for sure.

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Hearwego · 19/12/2021 16:51

I just booked my booster for Thursday and I’m 39. I didn’t want it Xmas Day though, there were appointments for then !

XenoBitch · 19/12/2021 16:56

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

Of course you needed help. But what would have happened to you if all the beds were occupied by unvaccinated Covid patients?

If you ‘did something to yourself’ you either had an accident or a mental health issue. Neither of which can be prevented by a vaccine, or is infecting 90000 per day.

A massive RTA can also wipe out most of those beds too.

I would not care who is occupying the beds (and as a patient, I should not be privy to that information either). If someone needs care, they need care, regardless of if their action or inaction landed them there.

Franklin12 · 19/12/2021 16:56

Fed up of being told unvaccinated people are frightened. They are spoiling it for the rest of us. Restrict their activities and we might well find they end up being jabbed.

They will be screaming for ambulances, be far more unwell than everyone else and if hospitals base care on need they will tend to them first.

MummyPop00 · 19/12/2021 16:57

4.5 million people seem to be on only one jab.

Why is this? Plenty of time to have both now for the vast majority surely?

Wonder how many of those are like me, infected in first wave, opted to have vax, side effects from jab, refused 2nd jab.

Where do we fit on this scale of shame?

Blame the unvaccinated? Not me.

Lalliella · 19/12/2021 16:57

Completely agree with you OP. Those choosing not to get vaccinated without a proper medical reason are incredibly selfish. They should be locked down imo, not to protect them but to protect others.

OldaRailer · 19/12/2021 16:57

A lot may be children.

Swanfairydust · 19/12/2021 16:57

@Franklin12

Fed up of being told unvaccinated people are frightened. They are spoiling it for the rest of us. Restrict their activities and we might well find they end up being jabbed.

They will be screaming for ambulances, be far more unwell than everyone else and if hospitals base care on need they will tend to them first.

Really? Because the majority of people with covid are those who have had some vaccines…. And this virus has been shown to have little harm to the vast majority of people.
PinkTonic · 19/12/2021 17:02

Do those with co-morbidities not see that they are part of the problem

I don’t choose to have autoimmune arthritis and it isn’t a factor of my lifestyle choices. In a competition for an ICU bed with an otherwise healthy but unvaccinated Covid patient I’d lose. No I’m not ok with that. I’ve already had to shield and remove myself from normal life to mitigate my own risk, and now it’s going on endlessly because so many people are selfish and quite frankly stupid.

foreverlove · 19/12/2021 17:03

I know two anti valuers. One refuses to get jabbed as their "conscience will not allow them to" and that they "are at peace with their decision".

The other person even refuses to have her cats jabbed against anything.

They simply do not care about anyone else.

Chickenkatsu · 19/12/2021 17:06

Saying that you can still catch it if you've had the vaccine is like saying that you can still crash if you're sober so you might as well drink and drive. It's reckless and selfish.

cookiemonster2468 · 19/12/2021 17:06

@Whammyyammy

I genuinely think people believe their own beliefs to be correct, and respect them standing by them. Its totally their choice to not have the vaccine, I'd hate to live in a world without choice. I'm fully vaxxed and got 'boosted this week.
It is their choice, of course. You can believe in personal choice but still think that some people are behaving like idiots.

People should have freedom to choose - doesn't mean they shouldn't be
challenged on those choices - especially when they are reckless and stupid and founded on ill-informed nonsense.

WanderingFruitWonderer · 19/12/2021 17:08

Time to hide this thread. It's horrible. So much bullying of the unvaccinated. I can't watch.
Flowers to anyone who has been hurt by it.

lightisnotwhite · 19/12/2021 17:08

@youvegottenminuteslynn

All the unvaccinated people I know have caught Covid already so are now naturally immune.

🤦🏻‍♀️ sometimes I just want to give up. Do people really believe this?!

Erm …yes? That’s how immunity works. Obviously there are other strains ( which is why vaccines aren’t anywhere near 100% effective) but generally speaking catching it and getting over it will do the same job as a vaccine.
LookslovelyinSpringtime · 19/12/2021 17:09

I have a relative who is very ill with Covid. He hasn't been vaccinated. I will be interested to see how he feels when he recovers. However, the vaccine is not a magic wand. Loads and loads of people are still getting Covid, who have been fully vaccinated. My Xmas is ruined because of this. Let's not pretend the vaccines are the answer, they may stop people getting as sick, but they aren't the solution otherwise we are we all still living a half life?

Abraxan · 19/12/2021 17:17

Why do a lot of posters not realise that there is a very good reason why they probably know more vaccinated people with covid than unvaccinated?

It's basic common sense - there are more adults in England who are vaccinated than not, at least double jabbed. If that group is a majority - which it is - then of course they'll be more of them positive.

The vaccine doesn't prevent you catching covid - it reduces risks, but doesn't eliminate risks. We've been told this for weeks, months even.

When the percentages are looked at in more detail they show that a greater percentage of unvaccinated people need more medical treatment, than the percentage of vaccinated ones. And that's despite the more vulnerable people being more likely to be in the double or triple vaxxed groups.

Abraxan · 19/12/2021 17:18

@Libertybauble

Also, you’re at far more risk from me, double vaxed and boosted, than you are from a dirty diseased unvaxxed person with a negative test.
But what about a triple vax adult who has a negative LFT than an unvaccinated one with a negative LFT?
misssunshine4040 · 19/12/2021 17:20

@lightisnotwhite no one is willing to accept this though. Other countries accept this but here you are treated as if you an complete idiot for even suggesting a recovered covid patient have immunity

Abraxan · 19/12/2021 17:21

@Fluffycloudland77

They weren’t, my dh was admitted during that time.
But I assume your dh was only in one hospital. Therefore, that doesn't represent every other hospital. A lot of hospitals really were overwhelmed. It wasn't all just rubbish made up for the media.
XenoBitch · 19/12/2021 17:21

@WanderingFruitWonderer

Time to hide this thread. It's horrible. So much bullying of the unvaccinated. I can't watch. Flowers to anyone who has been hurt by it.
Un-Mumsnetty hugs to you. It has been horrible. I am glad the other thread with a similar theme was pulled. So much division and vitriol. Flowers
ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/12/2021 17:23

A massive RTA can also wipe out most of those beds too

But not day after day for a year.

Flowerlane · 19/12/2021 17:25

@WanderingFruitWonderer

Time to hide this thread. It's horrible. So much bullying of the unvaccinated. I can't watch. Flowers to anyone who has been hurt by it.
Totally agree with you. This thread is vile.
MummyPop00 · 19/12/2021 17:26

You aren’t going to vaccinate 100% of 8 billion free thinking people.

We have been jabbing for a year & we are still not near that.

Then you have to do it quickly enough to outrun mutations.

Remember what we were told at the outset of the pandemic: ‘Coronaviruses don’t mutate quickly?’ Well, Sars-CoV 2 seems to be doing ok for itself to me.

Argument is completely pointless at the moment imho.

DottyHarmer · 19/12/2021 17:29

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Abraxan · 19/12/2021 17:29

@Stellf

My cousin has had 2 vaccines and she’s seriously ill in bed with COVID right now, fighting for breath…….now……you tell me….do the vaccines work? No they obviously fucking don’t 🙄
How do you know that she would be be in hospital without those vaccines?

If she is fighting for breath than surely she needs further treatment - has she been seen? There is currently capacity in most hospitals to admit patients who need help with their breathing. She shouldn't just be sat at home unable to breathe - she needs to call for medical help surely?

I caught covid before the vaccines and was ill enough to be in hospital with a life threading complication. I wasn't well enough to stay home. A GP appointment had me rushed to hospital for immediate treatment. I hope that being triple vaccinated that my likelihood of becoming ill like that again is reduced, especially as I've been spending every week day in the last 2 or 3 weeks as a close contact to at least one case of covid.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/12/2021 17:30

This thread is truthful not vile.