Do unvaccinated people not see they are part of the problem?

[User135644]

I accept it's people's right whether they get jabbed or not, entirely up to them. However, the more people stubbornly refuse a vaccine then the worse it'll be for all of us. The hospitals will be more stretched and we'll have more restrictions, lockdowns or circuit breakers. People who won't get the vaccine are often the most anti-lockdown or restrictions, yet are part of the problem as to why we'll keep getting them.

Where exactly do they think we'd be without vaccines? We wouldn't have had a relatively normal 6 months or so with everything open, that's for sure.

Barely over 50% vaccination in Westminster

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

+The uvaccinated are not the reason the NHS is on it's knees, they are just a very convenient scapegoat. The government has had two years now to take measures to improve NHS services and has done basically bugger all*

Oh yes the government need to step up. But at the moment it’s the unvaccinated occupying the ICU beds that should be being used for heart problems/ cancer etc etc. If these were dealt with before unvaccinated cases then the waiting list would be much much shorter.

I don’t know why unvaccinated Covid patients aren’t made to wait and let the cancer etc patients be dealt with first.

Why should someone with cancer lose their nhs bed to an unvaccinated Covid patient. Who should be the priority?

Covid patients tend to come in via A&E and need urgent care. They are not given a date to come in and get treatment like cancer patients are.

Where do they go after admission? Who else should be in urgent care and isn’t because of them?

I would never support unvaccinated people not receiving medical treatment, or being a lesser priority for treatment. However it is clear that we need more people to be vaccinated, especially in London. The rates are low here. Anyone who hasn't had a first vaccine now isn't going to just go and get one. So I would support some sort of restrictions on the vaccinated, such as they have in some European countries, eg must show proof of vaccine to enter bars etc.

I'm unvaccinated due to prior medical history.
I look forward fervently to the day there is no longer this divisive shit posted.

[quote Awakened22]@RockingMyFiftiesNot but is that not why we have testing? In the last 6 months I know more vaccinated people that have had Covid than unvaccinated…I’d rather be in a room with an unvaccinated person who has a negative LFT than a vaccinated person who hasn’t done one. And if both have negative LFTs, happy days and we can all have a party![/quote]
given that almost 90% of the over 18s have been vaccinated your anecdotal data isn't a bit surprising. It gives a 10-85% protection against infection(according to strain, vaccine and time since vaccination) but an over 80% protection against serious infection though, so is far, far from useless?

MaxNormal I would never support restrictions on anyone who cannot be vaccinated for reasons such as yours, in the same way I support exemptions for those who cannot wear masks. Restrictions should only be for those who choose not to be vaccinated.

But prior medical history is a disability! It’s not the same as a knob refusing the vaccine because of twattishness!

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

Where do they go after admission? Who else should be in urgent care and isn’t because of them?

If someone needs urgent care, then they get it. I took up a resus bed due to something I chose to do to myself. Was I denying someone that bed, or did I also need help too?

@MaxNormal

I'm unvaccinated due to prior medical history. I look forward fervently to the day there is no longer this divisive shit posted.

But then you're exempt so this isn't about you is it.

It's almost impossible to get an exemption. It's made me so aware that many unvaccinated people hsve medical histories that have led to them refusing the vaccine. They're in a shit situation. Not officially exempt as you pretty much have to die from the first one to get that, and subject to more and more vitriol and growing movement restrictions.

I'm not in favour of compulsory vaccination for all, but I would be very open to unvaccinated people having to pay for any stay in hospital due to Covid.

@pog100 I don’t remember saying it’s useless 🤷‍♀️ It absolutely has its place in preventing the elderly and at risk from becoming seriously ill. I’d personally prefer to see more vaccine equity around the world with priority given to the vulnerable first. Even if we get to 100% vaccinated and boosted in the UK, there will still be variants developing both in vaccinated people and the unvaccinated elsewhere in the world.

TallulahsCurse I don't have an official exemption despite a consultant's letter. Its a bit tiring having to fight for it but what choice do I have?
I'm not alone in this situation, there are many others like me. But officially we're the selfish unvaxxed.

The whole of this thread just shows how bad public health messaging has been. We should be criticising the government, and actively asking for better communications, not laying into each other at a time of crisis.

@Vargas

I'm not in favour of compulsory vaccination for all, but I would be very open to unvaccinated people having to pay for any stay in hospital due to Covid.

What would making them pay achieve? It wont free up the bed they are using.

Of course you needed help. But what would have happened to you if all the beds were occupied by unvaccinated Covid patients?

If you ‘did something to yourself’ you either had an accident or a mental health issue. Neither of which can be prevented by a vaccine, or is infecting 90000 per day.

@newusername2009
“Cancer” covers dozens of different diseases so you can’t really compare daily deaths from all cancers to daily deaths from one single virus.

Let’s see what ONS has to say?
“In October 2021, there were 43,435 deaths registered in England, 2,883 deaths (7.1%) more than the October five-year average (2015 to 2019); there were 2,993 deaths registered in Wales, 259 deaths (9.5%) more than the October average.

The leading cause of death in October 2021 was dementia and Alzheimer's disease in England (accounting for 11.3% of all deaths) and ischaemic heart diseases in Wales (10.6% of all deaths).
Coronavirus (COVID-19) was the third leading cause of death in October 2021, in both England (accounting for 5.6% of all deaths) and Wales (accounting for 9.5% of all deaths).”
www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/latest

@Vargas

I'm not in favour of compulsory vaccination for all, but I would be very open to unvaccinated people having to pay for any stay in hospital due to Covid.

Does that mean we get our taxes reduced accordingly. Sounds great, less taxes to pay and I will get private healthcare in place for my family.

I'm triple vaxxed but I'm starting to wonder where the end is to all this and I can see where the unvaccinated are coming through. What's next the 25th vaccination?

I will listen to the experts. I’d imagine about 80 per cent of the UK adult population is vaccinated?
So if these conspiracy theory’s are true and I wake up with two heads one day, atleast the majority of the western world will have the same problem!!
But seriously, I’ve heard people who aren’t vaccinated moan about the restrictions, so they are part of the problem. They don’t realise they could be carriers and not know and pass it onto others??

Does that mean we get our taxes reduced accordingly. Sounds great, less taxes to pay and I will get private healthcare in place for my family

Yeah, I’m sure Bupa or whatever are happy to take on unvaccinated members

@Vargas

I'm not in favour of compulsory vaccination for all, but I would be very open to unvaccinated people having to pay for any stay in hospital due to Covid.

I take it you would also be 'very open' to any smokers having to pay for smoking related illnesses or any alcholics having to pay for alcohol related illnesses? Wouldn't want to think you were just illogically discriminating against one group of people.

By the way, good news in the Daily Mail just now. Apparently Omicron surge will not overwhelm the NHS after all! I'm sure some of you will be hoping this is incorrect so that you can merrily continue directing your bile and hatred towards whichever scapegoat the newpapers choose next. Fingers crossed that it all works out for you.

The Daily Mail

Bound to be true if it’s in the Mail

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

The Daily Mail

Bound to be true if it’s in the Mail

Yes, let's hope it's not @ArseInTheCoOpWindow as you are obviously enjoying falling out with everyone far too much for it to end now!