Do unvaccinated people not see they are part of the problem?

[User135644]

I accept it's people's right whether they get jabbed or not, entirely up to them. However, the more people stubbornly refuse a vaccine then the worse it'll be for all of us. The hospitals will be more stretched and we'll have more restrictions, lockdowns or circuit breakers. People who won't get the vaccine are often the most anti-lockdown or restrictions, yet are part of the problem as to why we'll keep getting them.

Where exactly do they think we'd be without vaccines? We wouldn't have had a relatively normal 6 months or so with everything open, that's for sure.

@Xenia @TheMummilly

People should have free will and choice on medical procedures, which a Vaccine is.
I do not support making vaccines mandatory, not even for healthcare workers.

However, our country and others also has the choice to make access to certain things barred if you do not vaccinate, probably hospitality, mass gatherings and overseas travel.

[quote Alexandra2001]**@Xenia* @TheMummilly*

People should have free will and choice on medical procedures, which a Vaccine is.
I do not support making vaccines mandatory, not even for healthcare workers.

However, our country and others also has the choice to make access to certain things barred if you do not vaccinate, probably hospitality, mass gatherings and overseas travel.[/quote]
So be it.

What a vile thread.

I don’t agree with their stance, but if you think posts like this will change any of that rather than simply create division and push people further into their position, you are an absolute fool.

"Sweating sickness" was probably a pandemic influenza. Most likely it became endemic, and then maybe got kicked out later by another lineage.

@TheMummilly

Such zealous adherence and proclamations reminds me so much of something .else that has occurred throughout modern history .. now what is that, exactly ... ??

Seriously, these references need to bloody stop. Really scraping the barrel as a justification.

You have entirely misunderstood me it seems @Furries

@WanderingFruitWonderer

You haven't been seriously derided at all. I picked up on the use of statistics to try to patronisingly silence someone (you in that instance) when they (you) weren't far off anyway.

I absolutely agree with everything you've said. Including the views shared in this topic, which I don't see much of in real life - and that gives me hope.

And why is nobody mentioning the fact that Omicron got into Europe via vaccinated travellers?

Because this is not an absolute fact. It isn’t even clear where Omicron started, it’s just that it became dominant there first and they found it. There are Omicron samples from the Netherlands that date back to before the SA outbreak. sciencebusiness.net/news/do-not-blame-south-africa-omicron-variant

@HesterShaw1 thank you. Yes, all means of staying healthy and well need to be kept freely available...

@Goodmorninglights

You’ll be waiting a long time for any anti-vaxxer to admit they are wrong. In my experience they are made up of people who have achieved very little in life, are dissatisfied, miserable and DESPERATE to finally be right about something and superior to those they like to call sheeple. Surely if they had some knowledge that us inferior folk don’t have they’d be bashing down doors, shouting on the streets to save humanity? Instead they are tucked up at home posting links to very questionable YouTube clips. Pathetic.

My niece in a nutshell,she is not very social,doesn’t work and spends all day on the internet.She has joined up with lots of ant-vaxxers on-line,so of course now she is ‘special’ because she has lots of ‘friends’. The utter rubbish she spouts is appalling,but worse is that her mother is auto-immune due to a kidney transplant.🤦‍♀️She herself also has poly cystic kidney disease and is on home dialysis and the transplant list.Yet she is evangelical about not getting the vaccine.🤷‍♀️

Thank you @MissEyelesbarrow. I agree. I don't think many people, in the real world, hold the terrifying opinions some on here do. Thankfully

@SpanielsAreMyLife

What a vile thread.

I agree, if anyone is to blame it's the politics and mishandling of the whole shit show. The NHS has been run into the ground for years due to poor management and money spent on the wrong things. Individuals cannot be blamed for lockdowns and their medical choices. What a horrible attitude

@Kokeshi123

"Sweating sickness" was probably a pandemic influenza. Most likely it became endemic, and then maybe got kicked out later by another lineage.

That’s why I wrote potentially-no one knows it’s just theories and probability 😁

@Pontypandytaxpayer I do see your point of view, and understand that to some it may seem selfish...but to me it's akin to many personal choices that people make about their health which impacts the NHS every day, and historically has just as much financial implication as not having a covid vaccine.

I'm not saying I won't have it ever.

Also @NuffSaidSam If people want to get it then that is their choice, a choice they made while weighing up risks versus cost. I'm glad that they have confidence in the government/scientists/immunologists/virologists. I don't. Ultimately with many treatments, researchers ask for volunteers and it is great that some people want to volunteer. There are many public health initiatives that you could apply this to, that would help many people and the NHS if more people did it. For example, giving blood/organ donation/not smoking/keeping to a healthy weight and diet - not everyone wants to do that and people are complex and there are many reasons as to why.

This thread is truly awful. I’m pretty dubious as to the source tbh

@HeyDugeesCakeBadge

Why is it the unvaccinated's problem? People who are tripple jabbed can still catch, transmit and still have to isolate if they do get it? How is it the fault of the unvaccinated? Other countries that have forced the unvaccinated into lockdowns or said they cannot enter premises haven't stopped the spread then how can it be anything but a virus doing what viruses do?

Don’t you even listen to Whitty. You are considerably less likely to catch it , less likely to spread it and less likely to end up in hospital , less likely to be seriously ill. Why do you think the figures in london are so bad ? Because there are pockets of low vaccine take up .

So it’s a matter of percentages over the whole population. So yes the unvaccinated are part of the problem . The figures are out there.

@TheMummilly

You have entirely misunderstood me it seems *@Furries*

Unfortunately it’s a repeating pattern throughout millennia and it’s path is somewhat predictable. People don’t want to know though, they don’t want to admit monsters from the pages of history books are present in the here and now.

Shadows of human consciousness are dangerous until they are addressed and bound, but very few people want to admit they are there.

[quote Bebedoogoogle]@TheMummilly but the consequences of that choice are so bad, that we don’t really have a choice but to take away personal choice.

Mandatory vaccines will become law soon. I can’t see how this situation can continue.[/quote]
A society that fails to respect bodily autonomy, and forces its citizens to be injected with a very new drug that has no long term safety data, is not one that any sane person would want to be a part of surely? What a dark and corrupt dystopia you are wishing for @Bebedoogoogle.

@Vapeyvapevape

The unvaccinated are not the reason the NHS is on it’s knees but they sure as hell aren’t helping the situation .

True, but the fact the NHS is on its knees means it can't afford to carry so many unvaccinated people, most of whom would have likely not needed treatment had they took the jab.

@misssunshine4040

What an odd point of view you have:
if anyone is to blame it's the politics and mishandling of the whole shit show.

So are you saying politics are more to blame than the actual deadly Covid virus for “the whole shit show* of Covid deaths? How very strange. Yes the pandemic could have been handled better, but no one can seriously think fewer people would have died if they had done nothing. So the results of politIcs being lockdowns, masks, social distancing, travel restrictions and vaccine funding and push...= more to blame than the virus itself?

Individuals cannot be blamed for lockdowns and their medical choices.

Er, yes they can because lockdowns are one of several direct consequences of their choice to not get vaccinated against all facts and expert medical advice.

@nojudgementhere
Sorry you lost all credibility by referring to a vaccine as a “new drug”. If that’s the extent of your science education, you really should abstain from expressing an opinion about mandated vaccination.

@Foxglovesandlilacs86

I’ve not been vaccinated as when they offered it to my age group I was only a few week away from giving birth and thought I might aswell leave it til after baby was born.

Baby was born and didn’t get round to it, we all caught covid (me,DH and 8 kids!) it was basically a horrible cold that made me knackered and lost my taste for a few days.

Exdh was vaccinated and caught it at the same time as our kids go between my house and his, he wasn’t hospitalised but was much much worse than us. Maybe he’d have been worse if he hadn’t have had it, who knows.

I heard on radio 2 the other day the people who are hospitalised atm are 50/50 vaccinated and unvaccinated. So I don’t feel a rush to go and get it because as far as I can see it doesn’t offer much protection. I may have it at some point though.

But if 48% of the patients are unvaccinated, despite a minority being unvaccinated, that means that the vaccines are working.

Do unvaccinated people not see they are part of the problem?

They don't because they refuse the acknowledge the significant wider consequences of their choice as it doesn't impact them directly unless they catch it and need hospital treatment. A risk they are willing to take but they don't acknowledge it is a risk they are forcing others to also take.

I am fully on board with those unvaccinated by choice having additional restrictions placed on them and also would be ambivalent if the UK introduced Austria style fines. If the UK introduced either you would find a lot of anti vaxers relent once it directly impacts either them going to non-essential places/shops or their pocket.

@EmpressCixi, I meant the political handling clouding people's will to comply, their ability to comply.
Some people are terrified of vaccines for various reasons and some have died from vaccines.
How do you propose those people should be treated ? Force them ?